Free Speech is completely gone in France

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Uh, what do "islamics" have to do with an old actress being fined for good old french racism ?

What has being against Islam and pointing against sociological facts regarding behavior of muhammedan subculturs to do with racism? When German juvenile crime statistics one year ago (and in the years before also, by tendency) prove black on white that the small group of offsprings from Islamic migration families make up for half of offences and crimes in most subcategories, while the other half is made up by the multiple times more offspings from families with an originbal german or migration background not related to Islamic places- is that a forbidden statistic then, and racism?

Bardot said the obvious. Not africans, not Asians, not Americans, not Australiens cause us much headaches when living with us in our home country. Just Muhammedan communities: stirr and stirr and want more, and claim credits and demand special respect and equal position in histry of Europe and in our culture, and us always taking care of precious islam and not doing this with it and not offending it there, and not touching it even when the secret services observe its institutions in many prominent cases and declare them to be directed against the constitution. Point at it's failures, its failed respnsibilities, remind it of it's duties and nthzat it cannot stay witzh parts of it that cannot be combined with the comnstitutional order and basic rights - and you get accused of racism and islamophobia. Stand up in their way, and you get attacked for hate-crimes. Don't give them what they want, even if what they want is against the rules of our nations, and they starts turning these rules against you to make you back down. and when you have cleared one fire - three others pop up in an effort to brake through with something where the first attempt failed - many courts are crowded, flooded and blocked with cases of irrelvant micro-details that neverthelss in their sum are a planned strategy to overload the system and make progres by the motto: "try a hundred times, and at least some issues will get throiugh. And when they loose patience and want be left alone, now show up with a thisuand." I have had my insight this and last year into the situation of Islam and courts in Germany. the system is under siege, and that is intentional, in order to form a breech and neutralize the effectiveness of legal rules so that they become vulnerable to islamic changes. - No other minority in our nations - and that includes Christian and other religious missionaries - behave so annoying and constantly challenging us and remain silent about its own failures and a huge part of it even not caring for learning the local language and integrating itself into the foreign community it jumped into as if it were to seize a new beachhead for their homenation and its religion. We have to adapt to them, and the minority of reasonable voices from them - let it happen and try not much to change that. And that exactly is what Bardot recently has complained about when saying they force their ways upon us.


If you go to foreign countries, you ask the residents - noit the politicians for permission, and if given, you learn the language, take over the customs and habits and integrate yourself into the new sociological contexts without trying to chnage your new surrounding and its people according to what you had in your luggage. This is called immigration. Violate these principles, do not learn the language, do not integrate and do not adapt and always demand the others to behave eccording to your culture's standards, and it is called colonization. and sometimes even invasion. There is a reason why in the 60s the Algerian leader said that Islam will "conquer Europe through the wombs of it's women", and why today clerics and intellectuals from Egypt and other nations openly speak of Islam'S "demographic bombs" (precise quote) to bring Europe's countries to falling to Islam .

Probably these Islamic clerics and speakers and state leaders - also are racist against Islam when giving Islam such an oh so undeserved bad name? Not to forget anti-Islamic racism in Turkey (the comediens say it is in defense of secular state order): the constitutional high court has nullified the fundamentalist's governement law to ease the headscarf-ban at university. Observers say that is an sign that the ruling government party AKP, a fundamentalist islmaist organization, will be forbbiden, too, which means game over for Erdogan and his doubletongued play towards Europe. Directed against Islam!? Gee, they are all racists there!

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Read the article, the complaint was from "anti racism" groups, not "islamics".
"I've had enough of being led by the nose by this whole population which is destroying us, (and) destroying our country by imposing their ways." That's news to me, what exactly muslims imposed to france ?
Oh, yeah, muslim children can choose pork-free meals at school, big deal.

What she said, could have been said by me, for I do not see it different. I fail to see racism in it. she complains about the behavior of certain parts of the population, and I have no problem to understand why. I could tell the same to some of those customers that for over 6 years (before I quite the job short ago) came to my cashdesk in a store and still do not speak one word of german - but expect me to spend time to understand their gestures, and talking with hand and feet myself - and often even complain when they do not get what they want. "Learn the language of this country instead of demanding me to learn yours, Trottel. If that minimal politeness towards your hosts after seven years is still demanded too much - goodbye and farewell, nobody here will miss you. we will not even wonder why you ever came here - if you never had plans to adapt and integrate."

I rank the last part of "what exactly muslims impose on france" as a rethorical bait. If you read here since a while, you know the wide range of answers anyway, for it has been repeated often enough. Indirectly even just in my posting above. I had German example son my mind, but what I said has validity in France, Britain, Denmark, Norway and others places as well.

BTW, in Britain they cannot only choose meals without pork meat, as you thought it to be important to be mentioned by you, but some ministry ordered it's employees not to eat pork themselves anymore, in order to avoid offending Muslims. and by europoean laws you cannot demonstrate against Islam and are no longer aloowed to critizise it withiut being sued by the anti-disrimination law. That is the legal basis the British justive referred to when taking a schoolboy under arrest who held up a poster during a demonstration against scientology, that rerad: "Scientology is not a religion, but a cult." Saying your opinion in public and implying that scientology may not be a religion, but a cult, is under penalty, because "cult" hurts sensible scientology emotions - that the poster is saying the truth, is unimportant. Let the truth not stand in our ways, right? . you are allowed to say your opinion only when you agree with the status quo and the opinion tendencies of those who make these laws. So:

Rule number one: the law has the final word, so make sure you brought yourself into a position where you can influence the law according to your interest. and that interest is - to close the circle - for many muslims, for scaringly many muslims especially in Britain, but in other natio0ns as well - sharia instead of Western law. and then you are at the besieged german courts again, and you remeber that a true Islam withi9ut Sharia is a western dillusion, and is not possible to be separated. Cutting our sharia from the rest of islam is like burning that third or so of the Quran that is incompatible with western culture and constitutions - or deleting the four gospels from the new testament. Yeds, you have something left afterwards, and you are free to call it a reformed version of the ancient matter. Nevertheless, no matter how you call it, it has nothing to do with Islam (or the new testament) anymore. The deal is all, or nothing at all. Eklecticism was not part of Muhammad' thinking, but total control. and the Quran and it's thinking reflect that.