Gay marriage making progress in Norway, State of California

[AVGWarhawk]

Safe Keeper,

I have only one comment on the video. Rubbish! I can remember as a kid my parents friends who bred dogs. The male dogs were bred so many times, they would hump anything that moved. My ankle was not safe. Instinct only! When the female is in season and the male of the species can detect this from miles away on smell alone, the drive to create is overwhelming to the point were anything is far game. When we look at the equation of survival of the fittest, it does not include female+female or male+male.

I have to go with Iceman on this one...ability to rationalize anything...a unique human ability.

[FIREWALL]

I'm of the mindset that " Time will tell. "

More likely with alltime high fuel costs, people loseing their homes and unemployment at an alltime high this will lose news worthyness and blow over in time.

Something bigger in the news always comes along.

[August]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

I agree, some still choose to do so, but at least now the choise is theirs to make.

The only problem is that now most couples no longer can longer afford to choose to let one of them stay home.

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by August

The only problem is that now most couples no longer can longer afford to choose to let one of them stay home.

Unless they are willing to endure a lower standard of life. But giving rights to women did not cause this situation.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

The only problem is that now most couples no longer can longer afford to choose to let one of them stay home.

Most times you will find these couples have gotten in over their heads with credit card debt and vehicles they could ill afford. Couple scan not live beyond their means yet the banks allow them to do so and it is accepted gleefully. It is all about how you handle your money. People need to know their limits.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Unless they are willing to endure a lower standard of life. But giving rights to women did not cause this situation.

Agreed on the women right deal and standard of living. I'm the sole bread winner in my house. We do well but certainly not driving Hummers and going to Disneyland every summer. That is fine by us. Our girls have a mom who is there and dad when he is done working for the day.

Anyway, back to the gay marriage discussion.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Iceman

Being a follower of Jesus Christ...

Wasn't he gay?
And his 12 apostles?:hmm:

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Blah, blah, blah. You gay marriage opponents keep saying gay marriage is ruining society and causing divorce, but I've yet seen as much as a single one of you back it up with facts.

I understand that you just have read an article about divorce rates and their causes and figured that might be a possible reply to claim that is a valid rehtoric trick to squash opposition to relativising the institution of the family, and gay marriages. That way you have answered arguments that I have not claimed, and thus, I have nothing to do with you lament.

Thanks to your [quote:] "blah blah blah" [end of quote] introduction, I take the freedom to save me from answering the rest of what you said. If you also answered claims I did not make, it would be an useless effort anyway. it's the preferred way of us homophobic [quote]"chauvinists"[end of quote] to avoid tough arguments we cannot bear from clever minds like you, you know.

What I said in reality, remains to be untouched by your remarks. You also learned some historic facts about how long people remained together in not so far away times? Do you know what a "golden marriage" means, and an "iron marriage", how many years? And that was the norm still until and short after WWI. I people change partners quicker today than the ebb and flow are changing , this only shows again that the institution of "family" is under attack from many sides, massively. Couples breaking up so easily like it is often oday show me only that they never should have married and raise children at all. There comes the first wave, and away with the water the castles in the sand are. Often (not always) paying for the social consequences - must the community, and the children themselves, often in lacking future chances. the sexual revolution and emanizpation in the last century was not a bad thing in pricinple, but it both has caused serious distortions in social structures that came as the price for it, and that to compensate for and to reapir the damages it created nobody so far have found a blueprint-recipe valid for all, even for most cases.

Now you finally made me saying something on divorce finally, afterwards, retrospectively. Must be a self-fulfilling prophecy of yours.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Fish

Wasn't he gay?
And his 12 apostles?:hmm:

:p

Can't resist... can't help myself...

Was Jesus gay?



Fish (in the main, but also anyone feeling concerned),
I could imagine that you appreciate this:

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by Fish

Wasn't he gay?
And his 12 apostles?:hmm:

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Good one Fish We needed to lighten this topic up a little bit.

[msalama]

Yah, a good thing, this. Consenting adults, &c. so ain't nobodies business what they do, including getting married

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Divorce rates increasing? Tough luck. There's a ton of things we can do to counter this without denying minority groups rights.

"Traditional marriage" is a myth. Marriage has been changing nonstop for as long as we've had it. There have been several huge changes to the "institution of marriage" in this century alone.

Add this:

The Religious Right wants to "save the institution of marriage". Last time I checked, the divorce rate in the USA was around the 50% range, and those are your traditional (supposedly) $DIETY-fearing man/woman types getting them.

To the Religious Right: Want to truly protect and save the insitituion of marriage? Do this:

MAKE DIVORCE ILLEGAL EVERYWHERE

Watch the fun.

[August]

Originally Posted by msalama

Yah, a good thing, this. Consenting adults, &c. so ain't nobodies business what they do, including getting married

Well wait a minute. Getting married entails certain tax benefits so it IS our business.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Fish

Wasn't he gay?
And his 12 apostles?:hmm:

You only wish he were so as to justify your lifestyle.

-S

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Fish

Wasn't he gay?
And his 12 apostles?:hmm:

Boy, what movies have you been watching? There was a movie out about that.