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gimpy117 · 05-17-08, 08:24 AM

I am really dissapointed over the lack of U.s carrier types in game, I know they all looked pretty simmilar, but could we at least have diffrent names for them??

Hylander_1314 · 05-17-08, 11:56 AM

Actually, there's a big difference in what the Langley, Lexington, Yorktown, and Essex carriers looked like. Also, the American carriers seem to have "Navy Blue" decks. I took notice of this while watching a documentary, that showed color footage from a dorsal gun on a Dauntless, or TBF Avenger, as it left the flight deck. It was pretty cool footage, as you could see the rudder being kicked hard to starboard by the pilot to counter the torque of the engine. The teak deck wasn't brown or natural wood coloered. And sometimes all the hull camo was, was a repeat of the same color used on the deck, to paint the hull sides.

I remember a big debate on this when CFS2 first came out and folks were trying to figure out what was historically accurate, and what wasn't.

Raptor1 · 05-17-08, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hylander_1314

Actually, there's a big difference in what the Langley, Lexington, Yorktown, and Essex carriers looked like. Also, the American carriers seem to have "Navy Blue" decks. I took notice of this while watching a documentary, that showed color footage from a dorsal gun on a Dauntless, or TBF Avenger, as it left the flight deck. It was pretty cool footage, as you could see the rudder being kicked hard to starboard by the pilot to counter the torque of the engine. The teak deck wasn't brown or natural wood coloered. And sometimes all the hull camo was, was a repeat of the same color used on the deck, to paint the hull sides.

I remember a big debate on this when CFS2 first came out and folks were trying to figure out what was historically accurate, and what wasn't.

I think the only carrier (Atleast of the Essex-class) that did not have a camo painting (Not sure what color the deck was though) was USS Lexington (CV-12), Flagship of Task Force 58/38 (This is why her nickname was "The Blue Ghost")

Also, I've seen photos and videos from early-war American Carriers and the wooden deck was painted grey IIRC

d5j55 · 05-17-08, 12:49 PM

we could use some more carriers i was just watching a youtube video and saw one that looked like the oklahoma sitting on top of a flight deck.

Hylander_1314 · 05-17-08, 01:02 PM

Also, I used to have Webster's WWII Encyclopedia, all 26 Volumes, and most of the U.S.Navy smaller ships were painted Forest Green, as a base color, and any camo was applied over that. According to the books there. Not too much in the name of gray in the color pics in those books, unless it was a b&w photo. There was a real nice pic of a Fletcher Class DD in color in one of the books, and she was solid green. Not O.D., but Forest green. So there's a buch of painting a person could do to enhance the game, and model builders too.

Also a lot of the color pics of LST's, showed them in the dark green paint too. I have noticed from some color photos and films of the era, that the film used would sometimes make dark green and o.d. green appear as Navy blue. So one has to pay close attention to those little details.

Lots of interesting stuff though, all in all.

Raptor,

Pay close attention to color films and pics of the carriers, and planes, as different camo was used in the Atlantic, and the Pacific. Also look at the planes, as they will sport different camo colors for each theater. And there was also color footage taken on the Great Lakes where carrier pilots were trained in SNJ's for basic, and advanced carrier ops. So you will tend to see differring color schemes depending on where and what was being filmed. Even in the earlier parts of WWII as America was gearing up after December 7th.

Raptor1 · 05-17-08, 01:19 PM

The planes themselves were painted blue IIRC, It could be that the flight decks were repainted later in the war though

akdavis · 05-17-08, 01:26 PM

Camouflage measures are well known. There is no need to guess or infer colors.

http://www.shipcamouflage.com/usn_cv.htm

And the Lex did in fact carry the Measure 21 "Navy Blue" scheme through most of the war (most of the other carriers switched over to Measures 32 and 33):

Quote:

Vertical Surfaces:

Navy Blue 5-N All Vertical surfaces without exception.

Horizontal Surfaces:

Horizontal surfaces, Deck Blue, 20-B.

Wood Decks.

Wood decks except on submarines and carriers shall be darkened to the color Deck Blue. Deck Blue paint shall be used in lieu of stain for this purpose.

MS 1 was common on carriers at the start of the war, and did not require carrier decks to be painted.

Quote:

Vertical Surfaces:
All approximately vertical surfaces above the top of the stacks shall be painted Light Gray 5-L.

Horizontal Surfaces:
All horizontal surfaces except wood decks shall be painted Dark Gray 5-D. The systems differ only in the painting of the vertical surfaces. In case of doubt, as on sloping surfaces, use Dark Gray 5-D.

as was MS 12.

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Vertical Surfaces:

Vertical surfaces from boot-topping to level of main deck or highest sheer line, continuous for full length, on all vessels except carriers, Sea Blue 5-S.
On carriers, including Lexington and Saratoga, from waterline to level of hanger deck, Sea Blue, 5-S.
Vertical surfaces above main deck level, (hanger deck of carriers) to level of the top of the highest superstructure masses, Ocean Gray 5-O. Pole masts, yards, slender upper works above level of top superstructure masses, Haze Gray 5-H.

Horizontal Surfaces:

Horizontal surfaces, Deck Blue, 20-B.

Wood Decks.

Wood decks except on submarines and carriers shall be darkened to the color Deck Blue. Deck Blue paint shall be used in lieu of stain for this purpose.

And here is an article specifically on blue flight decks:
http://www.shipcamouflage.com/specia...ightDecks.html

Hylander_1314 · 05-17-08, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by akdavis

Camouflage measures are well known. There is no need to guess or infer colors.

http://www.shipcamouflage.com/usn_cv.htm

And the Lex did in fact carry the Measure 21 "Navy Blue" scheme through most of the war (most of the other carriers switched over to Measures 32 and 33):

Quote:

Vertical Surfaces:

Navy Blue 5-N All Vertical surfaces without exception.

Horizontal Surfaces:

Horizontal surfaces, Deck Blue, 20-B.

Wood Decks.

Wood decks except on submarines and carriers shall be darkened to the color Deck Blue. Deck Blue paint shall be used in lieu of stain for this purpose.

MS 1 was common on carriers at the start of the war, and did not require carrier decks to be painted.

Quote:

Vertical Surfaces:
All approximately vertical surfaces above the top of the stacks shall be painted Light Gray 5-L.

Horizontal Surfaces:
All horizontal surfaces except wood decks shall be painted Dark Gray 5-D. The systems differ only in the painting of the vertical surfaces. In case of doubt, as on sloping surfaces, use Dark Gray 5-D.

as was MS 12.

Quote:

Vertical Surfaces:

Vertical surfaces from boot-topping to level of main deck or highest sheer line, continuous for full length, on all vessels except carriers, Sea Blue 5-S.
On carriers, including Lexington and Saratoga, from waterline to level of hanger deck, Sea Blue, 5-S.
Vertical surfaces above main deck level, (hanger deck of carriers) to level of the top of the highest superstructure masses, Ocean Gray 5-O. Pole masts, yards, slender upper works above level of top superstructure masses, Haze Gray 5-H.

Horizontal Surfaces:

Horizontal surfaces, Deck Blue, 20-B.

Wood Decks.

Wood decks except on submarines and carriers shall be darkened to the color Deck Blue. Deck Blue paint shall be used in lieu of stain for this purpose.

And here is an article specifically on blue flight decks:
http://www.shipcamouflage.com/specia...ightDecks.html

Thanks! Great info! Just wish I still had those encyclopedias to scan and post pics from. There was so much good stuff in there.

05-17-08, 08:24 AM	#1
gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	[Req] I am really dissapointed over the lack of U.s carrier types in game, I know they all looked pretty simmilar, but could we at least have diffrent names for them?? __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army

05-17-08, 11:56 AM	#2
Hylander_1314 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2006 Location: 5 Miles Inland West Of Lake Huron Posts: 1,936 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	Actually, there's a big difference in what the Langley, Lexington, Yorktown, and Essex carriers looked like. Also, the American carriers seem to have "Navy Blue" decks. I took notice of this while watching a documentary, that showed color footage from a dorsal gun on a Dauntless, or TBF Avenger, as it left the flight deck. It was pretty cool footage, as you could see the rudder being kicked hard to starboard by the pilot to counter the torque of the engine. The teak deck wasn't brown or natural wood coloered. And sometimes all the hull camo was, was a repeat of the same color used on the deck, to paint the hull sides. I remember a big debate on this when CFS2 first came out and folks were trying to figure out what was historically accurate, and what wasn't. __________________ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. -John Marshall Chief Justice of the Supreme Court ---------------------

05-17-08, 01:02 PM	#5
Hylander_1314 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2006 Location: 5 Miles Inland West Of Lake Huron Posts: 1,936 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	Also, I used to have Webster's WWII Encyclopedia, all 26 Volumes, and most of the U.S.Navy smaller ships were painted Forest Green, as a base color, and any camo was applied over that. According to the books there. Not too much in the name of gray in the color pics in those books, unless it was a b&w photo. There was a real nice pic of a Fletcher Class DD in color in one of the books, and she was solid green. Not O.D., but Forest green. So there's a buch of painting a person could do to enhance the game, and model builders too. Also a lot of the color pics of LST's, showed them in the dark green paint too. I have noticed from some color photos and films of the era, that the film used would sometimes make dark green and o.d. green appear as Navy blue. So one has to pay close attention to those little details. Lots of interesting stuff though, all in all. Raptor, Pay close attention to color films and pics of the carriers, and planes, as different camo was used in the Atlantic, and the Pacific. Also look at the planes, as they will sport different camo colors for each theater. And there was also color footage taken on the Great Lakes where carrier pilots were trained in SNJ's for basic, and advanced carrier ops. So you will tend to see differring color schemes depending on where and what was being filmed. Even in the earlier parts of WWII as America was gearing up after December 7th. __________________ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. -John Marshall Chief Justice of the Supreme Court ---------------------

05-17-08, 01:19 PM	#6
Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	The planes themselves were painted blue IIRC, It could be that the flight decks were repainted later in the war though __________________ Current Eastern Front status: Probable Victory

05-17-08, 12:49 PM	#4
d5j55 Loader Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: soon to be Germany Posts: 89 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	we could use some more carriers i was just watching a youtube video and saw one that looked like the oklahoma sitting on top of a flight deck.