Huckabee jokes about Obama ducking a gunman

[Von Tonner]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Which is exactly why removing concealed carry permits is a bad idea. Try and find one story of a CCP holder that did harm to another. Short answer is, you can't. What you will find stories about how CCP holders helped stop numerous crimes. Starting to see the picture? What if I told you that the numbers of crimes stopped by pistol holders (non law enforcement) in the US was in the millions?

-S

CCP I must concede with you Subsim is a bad idea. It has no basis in fact. Here in SA we have far more stringent laws regarding gun ownership, but CCP is not one of them. All I'm saying, is that the laws regarding gun ownership in the US need to be relooked at. To be able to buy a gun through the post is, well, crazy. Is it not?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Von Tonner

CCP I must concede with you Subsim is a bad idea. It has no basis in fact. Here in SA we have far more stringent laws regarding gun ownership, but CCP is not one of them. All I'm saying, is that the laws regarding gun ownership in the US need to be relooked at. To be able to buy a gun through the post is, well, crazy. Is it not?

You really can't buy through the post. How that works is that an FFL (Federal Firearms License Dealer) needs to be in the middle of that, and the FFL will do a background check on the purchaser. If this were not the case, than yeah, I'd have to agree with you. Two ways that a criminal could get around this however is buying at a gun show from a private party, or buying from a private party directly.

However, I doubt any criminal deals with trying to buy a gun directly. I'm sure some are too stupid and would try anyway, but still... Most of them deal with smuggled guns, or stolen guns. Either way, any tougher law means that only law abiding civilians would be punished, and for what?

I dunno. I give up.

-S

PS. I can tell you for what - so that some mommy somewhere 'feels good' without realizing that things just got a whole lot unsafer for her.

[Von Tonner]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

You really can't buy through the post. How that works is that an FFL (Federal Firearms License Dealer) needs to be in the middle of that, and the FFL will do a background check on the purchaser. If this were not the case, than yeah, I'd have to agree with you. Two ways that a criminal could get around this however is buying at a gun show from a private party, or buying from a private party directly.

However, I doubt any criminal deals with trying to buy a gun directly. I'm sure some are too stupid and would try anyway, but still... Most of them deal with smuggled guns, or stolen guns. Either way, any tougher law means that only law abiding civilians would be punished, and for what?

I dunno. I give up.

-S

PS. I can tell you for what - so that some mommy somewhere 'feels good' without realizing that things just got a whole lot unsafer for her.

Subman1, the last campus shooting, did that guy not buy his guns through the post? I don't know, I'm just asking. You say the FFl will do a check. How stringent is that check? Here in SA, if you even know what a shrinks couch feels like - no gun for you jose!

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Von Tonner

Subman1, the last campus shooting, did that guy not buy his guns through the post? I don't know, I'm just asking. You say the FFl will do a check. How stringent is that check? Here in SA, if you even know what a shrinks couch feels like - no gun for you jose!

I think that was a mess up since someone failed to do an appropriate check. That guy had already been declared a mental case, but that data never turned up when he went to buy his guns. I forgot the exact details.

SA sounds similar to the US in that regard. If a shrink says you're a nut case, then no guns for you. That was a big protest lately and a new law has been passed since it used to be you lost your rights to guns forever. Now there is a recourse that one could go through to prove they are better to get the right restored.

-S