Finnish Defence Minister Wants Finland and Sweden into Nato

[Skybird]

Cant comment on finland, since it is a foreign planet for me, but Sweden - as tchocky said, they get along well with their past polsicy, so - WHY? It is stupoid to desire membership for an orgnaization that on paper is strong, but in reality is split, and weak. There are lessons to be learned from Afghanistan on how NATO allowed itself getting lured into something that was not it's business at all - and then even failed to act decisevly on that commitment, no matter how stupid it was to join the show. and as the saying goes: too many cooks spoil the meal, and there are already far too many cooks in NATO . - Instead of increasing membership numbers in NATO (and the EU) - we should consider to fire half of the crews again. both organization are weak and unable to act strongly in foreign policies, and the united voice of Europe - is more a concert of selfish egoistic interests that get appeased time and again. - because they have accepted too many members. Lets have a (small) organization of core states, and a greater (more lose) association of periheral states. Dreaming I do, I know. But it would be a reasonable thing to do like this. right now, the status quo seems to do more bad than good.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Cant comment on finland, since it is a foreign planet for me, but Sweden - as tchocky said, they get along well with their past polsicy, so - WHY? It is stupoid to desire membership for an orgnaization that on paper is strong, but in reality is split, and weak. There are lessons to be learned from Afghanistan on how NATO allowed itself getting lured into something that was not it's business at all - and then even failed to act decisevly on that commitment, no matter how stupid it was to join the show. and as the saying goes: too many cooks spoil the meal, and there are already far too many cooks in NATO . - Instead of increasing membership numbers in NATO (and the EU) - we should consider to fire half of the crews again. both organization are weak and unable to act strongly in foreign policies, and the united voice of Europe - is more a concert of selfish egoistic interests that get appeased time and again. - because they have accepted too many members. Lets have a (small) organization of core states, and a greater (more lose) association of periheral states. Dreaming I do, I know. But it would be a reasonable thing to do like this. right now, the status quo seems to do more bad than good.

Swedish general said few years back that they can afford to cut their defence forces because Finland cant.
A nice dream would be a Baltic-Nordic union and defence pact, but without nuclear deterrent it wouldnt work, economically it could do fine.

[Steel_Tomb]

Nice more things to piss the russians off with lol, would be a good idea in my books... not as if they are going to bomb russia any time soon.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

Swedish general said few years back that they can afford to cut their defence forces because Finland cant.
A nice dream would be a Baltic-Nordic union and defence pact, but without nuclear deterrent it wouldnt work, economically it could do fine.

Swedes and Norwegians together?

I once had a Norwegians email-pal who told me this story: him sitting aboard a regular SAS flight from Sweden to Norway, the crew (forgot wether it was a stewardess or the captain) made an announcement when they passed the border into Norway: "Ladies and gentleman, we are entering norwegian airspace now. Please set back your clocks by a hundred years."

Swedes and Norwegians together? that is like German and Austrian football players forming one national team, and being applauded from an all-Dutch audience!

[Tchocky]

Q - What does Norway have that Sweden doesn't?

A - Good Neighbours

Never been to Norway, and only had a 10-minute stopover in Stockholm on my way to Helsinki, so this can't offend :p

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

I spent a few days in Oslo and Trondheim, it made wonder about Norway's demography. Is there really 75% of women like in the streets, or do they just lock the males home ? :hmm:

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[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Skybird

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:rotfl::rotfl:

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

I spent a few days in Oslo and Trondheim, it made wonder about Norway's demography. Is there really 75% of women like in the streets, or do they just lock the males home ? :hmm:

Good job you weren't in Helsinki...could you imagine 75% dowly's in the streets