John Hamm's Uniform MODS Download Page

[John W. Hamm]

Originally Posted by Leonidas

Hello,

since I'm using the original german version of Midnite's Realistic Decorations, would it be possible to release a version with these files or to indicate which files I should replace?

Many thanks in advance!

Midnites Decorations Mod is included in my Mod so essentially if you load my Mod into your game, it will have not effect on his, and everything should run just fine. (there really is no way without a lengthy post to tell you how to seperate out the Mods and it is really not neccessary)

[Leonidas]

Thank you for your reply.

I think I haven't expressed myself clearly. What I meant was that I don't want the German texts to be replaced by English ones. Nothing more.

Could I therefore use Midnite's German menu.txt?
Is there another file that would replace German texts by English ones?

And many thanks for your mod!

[John W. Hamm]

Originally Posted by Leonidas

Thank you for your reply.

I think I haven't expressed myself clearly. What I meant was that I don't want the German texts to be replaced by English ones. Nothing more.

Could I therefore use Midnite's German menu.txt?
Is there another file that would replace German texts by English ones?

And many thanks for your mod!

Adding my mod would most certainly replace the german text with English ones. Work with me here and I think we can come up with a solution.

If midnite has a German Menu.txt then I suppose you could use it, I am not sure that he had one, and if he did have one with it, i didn't see it when I put his Mod into mine, and even if it is there I am not so sure that he actually modified it to work with his MOd you would have to ask him.

However assuming I initially understood you correctly that you already have some german version of midnights Mod and don't want an english version overwriting it then Follow these steps.

1. Back up your current files copy them and put then in a safe place
2. extract my Mod in a seperate folder by itself.
3. go to \John Hamm's Uniform Mod V2.2\Data\Menu\ Folder and remove Menu.txt file and the menu_1024_768.cfg file
4. then go to \John Hamm's Uniform Mod V2.2\Data\UPCData\UPCCrewData\ folder and remove the Medals.upc file.

then add what is left of my mod to your game as per normal installation instructions.

Now this will eliminate the chance of any of captain midnites files that are writen in english from re-writing any of your German txt.
files, however all of my MoDs files are in english and by adding those, the names of your ranks in the crew management screen both in port and on ship will show up as english.

If that is still a problem let me know and i could possibly walk you through where that text is located in the files so that you could re-write it yourself in german. Then all the rank text in the game will show up in german (this should have no negative effects on game play if we have to do it that way.)

[Leonidas]

Thank you very much for your assistance!

go to \John Hamm's Uniform Mod V2.2\Data\UPCData\UPCCrewData\ folder and remove the Medals.upc file.

For me personally, the ideal configuration would be to play the US-side COMPLETELY in English (speech AND texts) and the German side COMPLETELY in German. This has been discussed several times at the German Ubi-Forum, but without any results. Perhaps a double installation would solve the problem.

All this to say that if English texts show up on the US-side (like those in the Medals.upc file), that's exactly what I like. No need to remove them.

But what would REALLY be annoying is having to deal with English texts on the German side. Is this likely to occur?

go to \John Hamm's Uniform Mod V2.2\Data\Menu\ Folder and remove the menu_1024_768.cfg file

I've done a quick file comparison between your menu_1024_768.ini and Midnite's: there's no difference at all. So I can keep yours.

I am not so sure that he actually modified it [the German menu.txt] to work with his MOD

Yes he did.

He has changed the names of the U.S. decorations:

5150=Orden
5151=Navy Distinguished Service Medal
5152=Purple Heart
5153=Bronze Star Medal
5154=Silver Star
5155=Medal of Honor
5156=Navy Cross

and the text that will show up during the award ceremony.

Did you make any changes to Midnite's English menu.txt? If not, I think I can use his German menu.txt without any problem.

[Leonidas]

I've gone through the German side of your MOD a little more in detail and found some inconsistences and obvious errors.

1°

In the stock game both German officer and enlisted ranks were primarily made up of Cadet ranks save E-1 through E-3 and O-1 (they were the only non cadet ranks).

That simply isn't true. Stock ranks are ALL non cadet ranks save O-1 (Fähnrich z.S.) and O-2 (Oberfähnrich z.S.). The problem here lies in the fact that there were more ranks in the Kriegsmarine than in any other branch of the Wehrmacht. To be precise, there were no less than 12 non officer ranks (without cadet ranks!). Since the game limits the number of ranks to 13 (well... I suppose, I don't know really, you can perhaps confirm), you have to leave out some ranks.

The Kriegsmarine had 3 subdivisions of enlisted personnel, Unteroffiziere (NCOs) beeing further subdivided into 2 classes, "mit/ohne Portepee" (allowed/not allowed to wear a sword):

A) Mannschaften (Seamen)
B) Unteroffiziere ohne Portepee (NCOs without sword)
C) Unteroffiziere mit Portepee (NCOs with sword)
D) Fähnriche (Cadet officer ranks)
E) Offiziere (COs)

The ranks were as follows:
A 1 = Matrose
A 2 = Matrosengefreiter
A 3 = Matrosenobergefreiter
A 4 = Matrosenhauptgefreiter
A 5 = Matrosenstabsgefreiter
A 6 = Matrosenoberstabsgefreiter

B 1 = Bootsmannsmaat
B 2 = Oberbootsmannsmaat

C 1 = Bootsmann
C 2 = Stabsbootsmann
C 3 = Oberbootsmann
C 4 = Stabsoberbootsmann

D 1 = Fähnrich zur See (cadet rank)
D 2 = Oberfähnrich zur See (cadet rank)

E 1 = Leutnant zur See
E 2 = Oberleutnant zur See
E 3 = Kapitänleutnant
etc.

Even if their names are almost the same, there is a big difference between Unteroffiziere without and with Portepee, C1-C4 being much closer (in terms of uniforms, esteem etc.) to real officers than to B1-B2. So despite the denominations the dividing line within enlisted ranks runs between A/B and C rather than between A and B/C.

Now, the stock game had the following ranks (all with their correct names):

A1
A2
A3
(A4-6 were left out)
B1
B2
C1
C2
C3
C4
D1 cadet rank
D2 cadet rank
E1

Since I see no reason to include cadet ranks (especially when there is already a limitation), I fully approve your decision to leave them out and to include E2 and E3 .

But you also left out B1 and B2 and replaced them with A4 and A5, a choice I cannot approve for several reasons. First, you left out a whole class of NCOs. Second, it doesn't reflect history: while there were many U-Boote on which there were no A5 or A6, there was hardly a single one whithout a B1 or B2. (You can take a look at this site, which provides information about almost every crew member of the German U-Boot-Fleet: http://ubootwaffe.net/crews).

So I would suggest to use the following ranks (please let me know if you need pictures of rank insignia)

E1 / A 1 = Matrose
E2 / A 2 = Matrosengefreiter
E3 / A 3 = Matrosenobergefreiter
E4 / B 1 = Bootsmannsmaat
E5 / B 2 = Oberbootsmannsmaat
E6 / C 1 = Bootsmann
E7 / C 2 = Stabsbootsmann
E8 / C 3 = Oberbootsmann
E9 / C 4 = Stabsoberbootsmann
O1 / E 1 = Leutnant zur See
O2 / E 2 = Oberleutnant zur See
O3 / E 3 = Kapitänleutnant

(The non-inclusion of A4 remains a problem, but due to the known limitation it is the better choice after all.)

But even if you don't want to make these changes, you really have to change the rank names in your Ranks.upc file, because a Feldwebel etc. simply doesn't exist in the Kriegsmarine (save in the coastal artillery and in some other very special branches like the Navy musicians) and you used the same name (Matrosenobergefreiter) for two different ranks. In that case, please rename the ranks as follows:

E1 = Matrose
E2 = Matrosengefreiter (better without hyphen)
E3 = Matrosenobergefreiter
E4 = Matrosenhauptgefreiter
E5 = Matrosenstabsgefreiter (NOT: Matrosenober-gefreiter)
E6 = Bootsmann (NOT: Feldwebel)
E7 = Stabsbootsmann (NOT: Stabsfeldwebel)
E8 = Oberbootsmann (NOT: Oberfeldwebel)
E9 = Stabsoberbootsmann (NOT: Oberstabsfeldwebel)
O1 = Leutnant zur See
O2 = Oberleutnant zur See
O3 = Kapitänleutnant


2°
The shoulder board of Oberleutnant zur See in the bust_G02.dds file lacks the golden star.


3°
The officer shoulder boards in the crew management screen are upside down in respect to all other (enlisted) rank insignia. Is that intentional?


4°
The new background screen (showing a U.S. rear admiral) is also shown for German decorations. Is there a possibility to include two separate screens for each Navy? If not, will it suffice to delete the AwardsBackground.dds file from your MOD folder to bring back the stock brown screen?

[John W. Hamm]

Originally Posted by Leonidas

I've gone through the German side of your MOD a little more in detail and found some inconsistences and obvious errors.

1°

That simply isn't true. Stock ranks are ALL non cadet ranks save O-1 (Fähnrich z.S.) and O-2 (Oberfähnrich z.S.). The problem here lies in the fact that there were more ranks in the Kriegsmarine than in any other branch of the Wehrmacht. To be precise, there were no less than 12 non officer ranks (without cadet ranks!). Since the game limits the number of ranks to 13 (well... I suppose, I don't know really, you can perhaps confirm), you have to leave out some ranks.

The Kriegsmarine had 3 subdivisions of enlisted personnel, Unteroffiziere (NCOs) beeing further subdivided into 2 classes, "mit/ohne Portepee" (allowed/not allowed to wear a sword):

A) Mannschaften (Seamen)
B) Unteroffiziere ohne Portepee (NCOs without sword)
C) Unteroffiziere mit Portepee (NCOs with sword)
D) Fähnriche (Cadet officer ranks)
E) Offiziere (COs)

The ranks were as follows:
A 1 = Matrose
A 2 = Matrosengefreiter
A 3 = Matrosenobergefreiter
A 4 = Matrosenhauptgefreiter
A 5 = Matrosenstabsgefreiter
A 6 = Matrosenoberstabsgefreiter

B 1 = Bootsmannsmaat
B 2 = Oberbootsmannsmaat

C 1 = Bootsmann
C 2 = Stabsbootsmann
C 3 = Oberbootsmann
C 4 = Stabsoberbootsmann

D 1 = Fähnrich zur See (cadet rank)
D 2 = Oberfähnrich zur See (cadet rank)

E 1 = Leutnant zur See
E 2 = Oberleutnant zur See
E 3 = Kapitänleutnant
etc.

Even if their names are almost the same, there is a big difference between Unteroffiziere without and with Portepee, C1-C4 being much closer (in terms of uniforms, esteem etc.) to real officers than to B1-B2. So despite the denominations the dividing line within enlisted ranks runs between A/B and C rather than between A and B/C.

Now, the stock game had the following ranks (all with their correct names):

A1
A2
A3
(A4-6 were left out)
B1
B2
C1
C2
C3
C4
D1 cadet rank
D2 cadet rank
E1

Since I see no reason to include cadet ranks (especially when there is already a limitation), I fully approve your decision to leave them out and to include E2 and E3 .

But you also left out B1 and B2 and replaced them with A4 and A5, a choice I cannot approve for several reasons. First, you left out a whole class of NCOs. Second, it doesn't reflect history: while there were many U-Boote on which there were no A5 or A6, there was hardly a single one whithout a B1 or B2. (You can take a look at this site, which provides information about almost every crew member of the German U-Boot-Fleet: http://ubootwaffe.net/crews).

So I would suggest to use the following ranks (please let me know if you need pictures of rank insignia)

E1 / A 1 = Matrose
E2 / A 2 = Matrosengefreiter
E3 / A 3 = Matrosenobergefreiter
E4 / B 1 = Bootsmannsmaat
E5 / B 2 = Oberbootsmannsmaat
E6 / C 1 = Bootsmann
E7 / C 2 = Stabsbootsmann
E8 / C 3 = Oberbootsmann
E9 / C 4 = Stabsoberbootsmann
O1 / E 1 = Leutnant zur See
O2 / E 2 = Oberleutnant zur See
O3 / E 3 = Kapitänleutnant

(The non-inclusion of A4 remains a problem, but due to the known limitation it is the better choice after all.)

But even if you don't want to make these changes, you really have to change the rank names in your Ranks.upc file, because a Feldwebel etc. simply doesn't exist in the Kriegsmarine (save in the coastal artillery and in some other very special branches like the Navy musicians) and you used the same name (Matrosenobergefreiter) for two different ranks. In that case, please rename the ranks as follows:

E1 = Matrose
E2 = Matrosengefreiter (better without hyphen)
E3 = Matrosenobergefreiter
E4 = Matrosenhauptgefreiter
E5 = Matrosenstabsgefreiter (NOT: Matrosenober-gefreiter)
E6 = Bootsmann (NOT: Feldwebel)
E7 = Stabsbootsmann (NOT: Stabsfeldwebel)
E8 = Oberbootsmann (NOT: Oberfeldwebel)
E9 = Stabsoberbootsmann (NOT: Oberstabsfeldwebel)
O1 = Leutnant zur See
O2 = Oberleutnant zur See
O3 = Kapitänleutnant


2°
The shoulder board of Oberleutnant zur See in the bust_G02.dds file lacks the golden star.


3°
The officer shoulder boards in the crew management screen are upside down in respect to all other (enlisted) rank insignia. Is that intentional?


4°
The new background screen (showing a U.S. rear admiral) is also shown for German decorations. Is there a possibility to include two separate screens for each Navy? If not, will it suffice to delete the AwardsBackground.dds file from your MOD folder to bring back the stock brown screen?

Clearly you know more about Germans than I do, Actually what I did to refrence each of the ranks that they used was looked them up online and read whatever information it had to offer and on more than one site it stated that a number of the ranks that were used, were officer canidate ranks, According to the ones I read they were used by enlisted men and were equivelant to the officer ranks. but then again my understanding of German rank strucutre is no that great. And this was just my understanding, I have been known to be wrong

I'll make you a deal if you create an accurate chart with the correct names by them I will add them in correctly according to what you tell me they should be, understand though, i can only have 9 Enlisted and 3 officers

Oh yea to answer your other Q, i made no changes to any of Midnites txt files in his mod, I only changed some graphics

2. I usedThe german rank insignias off a website I found to make them with so... if you have better ones let me see them.

3 No it was intentional, and it was not intentional, I put them in ther that way for uniformity however they can be reversed, in the same manner, it is just the way I chose to present them.

4 is, I suppose it is possible to change the background by just renaming the file you want and put it in place of theone you don't, however my MoD did not make that change (at least if it did I have no idea how,since I never modified it)

Oh and as far as

But what would REALLY be annoying is having to deal with English texts on the German side. Is this likely to occur?

it most certainly will happen, but like I said it could be edited (not by me though as I only took 1/2 a semester of german 18 years ago)