[tec] How to get refits to occur more reguarly

M. Sarsfield · 04-11-08, 01:32 PM

Great homework! I like what you have found and I think it should be done.

Ducimus · 04-11-08, 02:23 PM

Oh yea, one thing i forgot to mention, is that in my test, i made the unitpart intervals in the submarines upc file the same as the unitpart.upc file

Early war: NULL, 1941-12-09
Mid war: 1941-12-10, 1942-06-06
Late war: 1942-06-07, 1943-06-06
Elite: 1943-06-07, NULL
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IDLinkUnitPartIntervalDefault1= NULL, 1941-12-09, TamborConningEarlyWar
IDLinkUnitPartIntervalDefault2= 1941-12-10, 1942-06-06, TamborConningMedWar
IDLinkUnitPartIntervalDefault3= 1942-06-07, 1943-06-06, TamborConningLateWar
IDLinkUnitPartIntervalDefault4= 1943-06-07, NULL, TamborConningElite

I didn't have any overlaying dates at all.

M. Sarsfield · 04-11-08, 02:30 PM

So, the MS/32 paint jobs will be available in mid-1943. That explains why I never saw any black Batfish photos. She always had the late war scheme.

Ducimus · 04-11-08, 02:42 PM

No those are just... dates i chose out of the hat for testing purposes.

Here is where im on the fence though..... make the upgrade dates historic, or a couple months prior to the "circa" date?

My feeling is lll proabably make MS/32 avialable in 44.

Overall looking at the dates of refits, if you do alot of clicking around navsource, one thing i noticed is that the older boats seemed to get a refit first. I think i noticed a salmon class getting its 2nd AA platform around 3/43.

I may take that for instance, and make it 1/43, with the MS/32 being at 1/44

Here again im on another fence.. make this apply to all boats, or just the earlier ones?
The fly in the ointment in that regard is the Gato. I think that alhough they were newer models, they had to wait their turn for a refit, assuming my observation about older boats being the first in line is correct.

M. Sarsfield · 04-11-08, 03:52 PM

Now that I've looked at the camo website a little closer, it looks like a lot of the Balao boats were painted in the MS/9 scheme out of the boat yard, too. Even as late as 1944 USS Becuna (SS-319) had the MS/9. Their new paint jobs being later in the war (1944) matches up with your idea that earlier boats had refit priority, which made sense. They needed more attention due to use and age - especially with equipment upgrades.

JREX53 · 04-11-08, 08:34 PM

Ducimus,

Thanks for passing on you knowledge of Modding.
It helps us Unmodders think of how the modding process goes.

thasaint · 04-12-08, 12:59 AM

sounds good, well into '43 in a tambor n getting tired of the bathtub, it was fine for a couple of years but i'd like an upgrade PLEASE! hehe

i vote for historic upgrade dates

04-11-08, 01:32 PM	#1
M. Sarsfield Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,016 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Great homework! I like what you have found and I think it should be done. __________________ MJS USS Batfish Volunteer/Reenactor www.ss310.com www.ussbatfish.com Communism killed over 100M people and all that I got was this lousy signature.* *http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

04-11-08, 02:30 PM	#3
M. Sarsfield Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,016 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	So, the MS/32 paint jobs will be available in mid-1943. That explains why I never saw any black Batfish photos. She always had the late war scheme. __________________ MJS USS Batfish Volunteer/Reenactor www.ss310.com www.ussbatfish.com Communism killed over 100M people and all that I got was this lousy signature.* *http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

04-11-08, 03:52 PM	#5
M. Sarsfield Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,016 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Now that I've looked at the camo website a little closer, it looks like a lot of the Balao boats were painted in the MS/9 scheme out of the boat yard, too. Even as late as 1944 USS Becuna (SS-319) had the MS/9. Their new paint jobs being later in the war (1944) matches up with your idea that earlier boats had refit priority, which made sense. They needed more attention due to use and age - especially with equipment upgrades. __________________ MJS USS Batfish Volunteer/Reenactor www.ss310.com www.ussbatfish.com Communism killed over 100M people and all that I got was this lousy signature.* *http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

04-11-08, 08:34 PM	#6
JREX53 Frogman Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 300 Downloads: 353 Uploads: 13	Ducimus, Thanks for passing on you knowledge of Modding. It helps us Unmodders think of how the modding process goes. __________________ Jim

04-12-08, 12:59 AM	#7
thasaint Medic Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New York City, USA Posts: 163 Downloads: 116 Uploads: 0	sounds good, well into '43 in a tambor n getting tired of the bathtub, it was fine for a couple of years but i'd like an upgrade PLEASE! hehe i vote for historic upgrade dates __________________

04-11-08, 02:23 PM	#2
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Oh yea, one thing i forgot to mention, is that in my test, i made the unitpart intervals in the submarines upc file the same as the unitpart.upc file Early war: NULL, 1941-12-09 Mid war: 1941-12-10, 1942-06-06 Late war: 1942-06-07, 1943-06-06 Elite: 1943-06-07, NULL ----------- IDLinkUnitPartIntervalDefault1= NULL, 1941-12-09, TamborConningEarlyWar IDLinkUnitPartIntervalDefault2= 1941-12-10, 1942-06-06, TamborConningMedWar IDLinkUnitPartIntervalDefault3= 1942-06-07, 1943-06-06, TamborConningLateWar IDLinkUnitPartIntervalDefault4= 1943-06-07, NULL, TamborConningElite I didn't have any overlaying dates at all.

04-11-08, 02:42 PM	#4
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	No those are just... dates i chose out of the hat for testing purposes. Here is where im on the fence though..... make the upgrade dates historic, or a couple months prior to the "circa" date? My feeling is lll proabably make MS/32 avialable in 44. Overall looking at the dates of refits, if you do alot of clicking around navsource, one thing i noticed is that the older boats seemed to get a refit first. I think i noticed a salmon class getting its 2nd AA platform around 3/43. I may take that for instance, and make it 1/43, with the MS/32 being at 1/44 Here again im on another fence.. make this apply to all boats, or just the earlier ones? The fly in the ointment in that regard is the Gato. I think that alhough they were newer models, they had to wait their turn for a refit, assuming my observation about older boats being the first in line is correct.