Anyone working on Atlantic Mod for 1.5?

[Dowly]

EDIT: Nevermind, I cant read.

[GlobalExplorer]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Shows that the acrimony comes from Skyhawk and Global explorer, not the SH4 "loyalists." Having some ties both to SH4 and SH3 modders, let me lay it out in neutral terms:

1. Anyone who thinks the GWX team is just going to build the evil cross-compiler that ports everything they've done over to SH4 doesn't know the GWX team. They would never contemplate that at all! They are creative people. Creative people create new things, not duplicate old things. I am not saying that they won't use what they have already learned.

Unexperienced people start things they cannot finish. I bet 90% of all mods in the works at this moment will either not be finished, obsolete when they are released, unuseable or incomplete. Because people don't listen to advice, start with the easy things, start making things that have been done better before, dont team up, etc.

We are reaching a point where it sucks to find the mods that we will play in between the ones that we will never play (think of other games modded to death such as Morrowind or the TW series). I guess you need not look further if you want to know the reason for the success of GWX - it is a finished product, not just a young mans dream.

Before you interpret more into my owrds than necessary: I was only suggesting that it might be a good idea to write a program that ports over the campaign data from GWX to SHIV (and in my weak moments I have even considered doing that myself). Why not use the quality we have from SHIII as a base and start the real work on top of it? No, of course, creative people are so awesome they know it's better to always start everything from scratch! Believe me dude, I've seen this enough in software projects, and it's one of the main reasons for lack of quality and direction in software products.

And before I get accused of acrimony again, I am looking forward to play any Atlantic mod for SHIV, no matter how it was created or by who.

[Rockin Robbins]

I just don't think the GWX team will be satisfied with that. I predict we hear very little from GWXers. When we do it will be upon release of a new product. Then we will be very surprised what we get. They would quit before they rested on their laurels.

And SH3 is not a dinosaur. It is a great game that doesn't need to be ashamed because of SH4. It's not like they're abandoning a sinking ship. Just check out the traffic on the SH3 forums and tell me if that's a dead duck!

And I think we are hearing very little from the SH4 modders for the same reason. They will let their work do the talking while we argue about it all. Then we will find all our arguments were irrelevent and we were worried about things that were never going to happen.

Isn't that the way life usually works out?

[GlobalExplorer]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

And I think we are hearing very little from the SH4 modders for the same reason. They will let their work do the talking while we argue about it all. Then we will find all our arguments were irrelevent and we were worried about things that were never going to happen.

That would really surprise me, because it would mean SHIV modders are a special breed. Usually modders have a nasty habit of announcing their project the very day they started with it, no matter if they can finish it.

Personally I believe the silence means that SHIV modding has not really taken off yet. The old faces from SHIII are tired and returning to rl, the new ones are still playing (maybe that is the best thing, that people still enjoy the game). I do however expect that we will see great mods, as the mod friendliness of the SH engine is still there.

[LukeFF]

Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

Personally I believe the silence means that SHIV modding has not really taken off yet.

You couldn't be farther from the truth with that statement.

[AVGWarhawk]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins
And I think we are hearing very little from the SH4 modders for the same reason. They will let their work do the talking while we argue about it all. Then we will find all our arguments were irrelevent and we were worried about things that were never going to happen.

Globalexplorer

That would really surprise me, because it would mean SHIV modders are a special breed. Usually modders have a nasty habit of announcing their project the very day they started with it, no matter if they can finish it.

Do you spend much time in the SH4 mod forums? Why is it a nasty habit to announce a mod in the making? Makes for good conversation and generally helps the creater if he gets stuck. Or in some cases, dies in the process (rest in peace Dave Bunell) or in the case of RFB left by Beery to be picked up by Swdw and is now a team of guys beta testing the next installment as I type this.

Personally I believe the silence means that SHIV modding has not really taken off yet. The old faces from SHIII are tired and returning to rl, the new ones are still playing (maybe that is the best thing, that people still enjoy the game). I do however expect that we will see great mods, as the mod friendliness of the SH engine is still there.

No it sure has not taken off. I will be sure to tell the following creaters of these mods:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=108964

Large list huh? So, were is the part were the modding has not taken off?


Do you realize the Skwajers 3D Modding Tool makes just about everything a snap now? From what I gather, the dreaded Hex Editing with this tool makes life vastly simplier.

Please give some credit were credit is do to the fellas on the list located in the link above. In just over a year, 5 major mods have come together as 2 large mod packages. TMO, ROW, MSN, RSRD and RFB. The mods contain playability, historical traffic, realism and an environment mod that is out of this world. Contained within these mods are numberous smaller mods creating a great game.

I'm sure you will enjoy the German boats in SH4 again and very soon

[Skyhawk]

RR. Amazes me how quickly you went from a misinterpretation of my intent to applying an erroneous label.

My only intention was to make the point that we should have fun RIGHT NOW with what we have rather than fuss about what might be and doesn't exist yet.

That's ok, no worries, I understand how enthusiasm can get in the way of judgement sometimes. We all make mistakes.

Believe me, if I was trying to be acrimonious there would be no doubt in anyone's mind about it and I would most likely find myself banned in very short order.

The thing we ALL have to realize is that our opinions all cost the same and so long as they are expressed in a respectful and non-derogatory manner it's within the forum rules to make such posts.

Go back and read my replies again, I clearly express appreciation for SH3, SH4, and their respective "supermods", and deliberately expressed appreciation for the work that went into creating them.

Back to my place with the rest of the silent majority . . .

[GlobalExplorer]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Why is it a nasty habit to announce a mod in the making? Makes for good conversation and generally helps the creater if he gets stuck.

Depends on what you mean. Whether the point is to announce an idea, ask questions, gather ideas / support / or if the point is to discuss something that will never exist. I am annoyed by the half finished jobs, especially because these are the ones that create the most noise. If you're happy with seeing the same things repeat over and over again, that's your problem. I am not, and I am prepared to piss off some ppl because of that.

My comments are not directed on SHIV modders , but on modders in general. Since the exciting start in the 90s, it has now become much more difficult to get enjoyment out of mods, which mostly results from the fact that modders refuse to organize their work somewhat professionally (professionally as the GWX team did - hence the satisfaction with GWX).

If not someone finds a way to give it direction, modding will turn into a gigantic waste of time - for the users and the creators - look at other games like the TW series to see what I mean. Mods, mods, mods. Each does something better, but other things worse - but they can be made compatible if you follow these 20 simple steps - ah the decisions! Wonderful.

I don't mind if this pisses off some people. Imo sooner or later you will realize that this is really becoming a problem.

Plz take it easy.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by LukeFF

You couldn't be farther from the truth with that statement.

You know that, I know that, alot of Pacific/Fleet boat fans know that. But for some people, if its not Uboats with GWX stenciled on it, it doesnt exist. If ignorance is bliss, theres some really happy folks out there.

[JREX53]

You know this topic about an Atlantic Campaign has come up about 5 times now
since the addon has come out. Doesn't anybody do a search anymore.
This forum isn't that old.
Somebody starts up a new thread about this then somebody says something
stupid and the other side takes offense to what is said.
GlobalExplorer have you had your head stuck somewhere for the last year.
The SH4 modders have been doing excellent work making very good mods.
They have a lot better handle on this game then you think they do.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

You know that, I know that, alot of Pacific/Fleet boat fans know that. But for some people, if its not Uboats with GWX stenciled on it, it doesnt exist. If ignorance is bliss, theres some really happy folks out there.

If one does like only Uboats, naturally they want a mod that suits them. And most ppl who like Uboats, prefer the Atlantic as their operations area. There's (i think) 2 teams that have said they are doing an Atlantic mod for SHIV. Aces of the Deep & GWX (Or is Atlantic Sharks still doing theirs?).

And as for ppl who only talk about SHIV GWX, can you blame them? GWX is and was a huge mod and very popular for SHIII, naturally ppl will remember it. I know it's not fair for the other teams, but can you blame the GWX team of what the users think about it?