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Old 04-03-08, 03:12 PM   #1
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Steel_Tomb what do you mean by "true freedom"? I've never met any restrictions from our authorities to do whatever I want (and so never met any restrictions all of my friends and people I know). Of course I'm not a political extremist or a football hooligan. I do not have any intent to go out in the street to burn somebody's property. Look maybe you don't have an adequate info about life in Russia as your press (except Guardian) is tend to make a monster out of my country. Of course life level of most part of our people is lower than in UK. But everybody is free to go whatever he/she wants, do any business he/she likes and to speak anything he/she likes. I repeat - as for myself I always speak what I mean and I've never been in any way pursued by authorities. Of course I try not to offend anyone (not because of fear of authorities but because my upbringing and educational level does not allow me to). I suppose if I would go into street and burn somebody's property, or if I would call my friends and we would walk along the street crying something like "We want Yushenko to be president of Russia" (blocking traffic and causing other troubles to normal people) - then I believe I would have some troubles with law. If that is the "true freedom" we lack in your oppinion.... :hmm: I don't think i loose too much

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Hey Dmitry,

I can't say anything about life in Russia, but it does seem to me any journalist or ex government official (basically anybody who the media will pay attention to if they talk) will get themselves myseriously whacked if they say anything bad enough about Putin & Co.

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Old 04-04-08, 05:12 AM   #2
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There is America-payed FM radio station "Echo of Moscow" still intact and it seems it always will be no matter what they say. Also there are a lot of newspapers such as "Vedomosti", "Novaya Gazeta" and so on. All of them share views from rather critical to near radical anti-Putin ("Echo of Moscow"). Nobody is going to close them. Some critical material you may usually find on pages of RBC (russian business consulting). You can't say that every one criticising Putin immediately goes to jail. It's completely not what's going on. And still our life is much better than what was in 90-s. In every single aspect.

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You can't say that every one criticising Putin immediately goes to jail.
Of course, there have been cases of people who did not go to jail immediately.

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It's completely not what's going on. And still our life is much better than what was in 90-s. In every single aspect.
The so called russian soul.

A customer asks at a shop, 'What's this, you don't have any bread again?'
'That's not true! There's no bread in the shop opposite. We don't have meat.'
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Some don't go to jail at all, they're hit by a disease called "bullet in the neck" or something like that.
Like a radioactive cocktail?
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Its all well comrades.

These ljudy (people) were acting out of their own accord - nobody forced them to talk bad about tovarysh Putin. If you're not going to complain, nothing can happen to you. You will be safe.

So we need not fear. The party doesn't harm people without a reason.
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Old 04-04-08, 12:00 PM   #8
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However, "freedom" is something in much shorter supply in Russia with the restrictions placed upon its media, and the way in which the Kremlin has its dirty hands on every single area of the economy and everyday life.
Absolutely nonsense! I've never ever met any person who have felt "dirty hands of Kremlin" on "every single area of his/her everyday life". Or please tell what you mean by saying about those "areas".

Seems you just cannot take into account that there ARE people who are every single day talking VERY bad of Putin and they are not in jail, they are not beeing shot into neck, and what's more - nobody is going to kill them or put into jail. That's what I've been trying to tell you in my last post.

By the way I am not trying to say that I have nothing to complain. Taxes law, corrupt officials (but not every one of them are corrupt), "point building" that changes well-known faces of our cities (especially Moscow and Saint Petersburg, but that is not only Russian problem - I saw the same process in Kiev too), inept Ministry of Culture and so on... But not the lack of freedom

I cannot agree with you on that case. Though I am open for constructive discussion.

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Seems you just cannot take into account that there ARE people who are every single day talking VERY bad of Putin and they are not in jail, they are not beeing shot into neck, and what's more - nobody is going to kill them or put into jail.
Dmitry Markov, as you seem to be at least a bit naive, I have collected some links for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Po..._assassination

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexand...enko_poisoning

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Kasparov

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Khodorkovsky
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