Are You Comfortable With Muslims/Islamics?

STEED · 03-28-08, 07:36 PM

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Happy Times · 03-28-08, 07:38 PM

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Sorry i missed it, PM me if you have problem

Stealth Hunter · 03-28-08, 07:45 PM

Yeah, I'm off SS for the night. Got a horrid headache. We'll continue this discussion in the morning.

Letum · 03-28-08, 07:58 PM

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We'll continue this discussion in the morning.

You think this will still be unlocked then?

kiwi_2005 · 03-28-08, 08:07 PM

Ask me couple of yrs back and i would of said Yes!. Now in a nutshell i have no problem with them weary of them yes. But its not like im going to cross the street to avoid them.

I watched this vid last night which has muslim belief as its has quotes from the Qu-ran(sp) Great documentary on Death. lol Seriously it makes you think about life in general.

From the day your born your on the countdown to your death no matter who you are what you do the end is the same for everyone of us. Death. So really life is just meaningless you strive to better yourself you do good things you achieve great things personally then you die...

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Nobody knows what will happen in the next few hours or even in seconds. Time flies in the countdown to one’s own death. Every day brings that predestined day closer. In this film you are invited to see the true nature of our worldly existence. It is a short and deceptive life in which worldly desires seem fascinating and full of promise, but the truth is much different.

Documentary: The Truth of the life of this World.
http://video.google.de/videoplay?doc...85608534320808

Ducimus · 03-28-08, 08:15 PM

No, not comfortable.

I have NEVER heard anything GOOD about them. Nor have i SEEN anything good. My opinion and distrust increased during the "cartoonist riots". Up until that point, i thought it was just the extremists. After that point, i think that the majority of them ARE extremists. In one fell swoop, they proved the cartoonists caricatures corrrect.

I have yet to have heard, or seen, any reason to be comfortable.

nikimcbee · 03-28-08, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

No, not comfortable.

I have NEVER heard anything GOOD about them. Nor have i SEEN anything good. My opinion and distrust increased during the "cartoonist riots". Up until that point, i thought it was just the extremists. After that point, i think that the majority of them ARE extremists. In one fell swoop, they proved the cartoonists caricatures corrrect.

I have yet to have heard, or seen, any reason to be comfortable.

This is more or less what I wanted to say. When I lived in Russia, the only people that ever gave us problems were Arabic guys!

We had a few girls in our student group, and they would follow them constantly. We had to set a few things straight with them. For me personally, Sept. 11th has ruined it for me. I am interested in the Arabic language(s) and culture, but Islam, I have zero interest in. At this point, Islam has some serious PR issues to resolve, before I trust anybody that follows it.

caspofungin · 03-28-08, 08:56 PM

what's with all the inflammatory threads on islam the last couple of weeks?

let me tell a funny story...

once upon a time, when i was a young man in london, i went to the university mosque for friday prayers. after we'd finished, a guy stood up and started talking. he was from hizb-al-tahrir, and he was basically telling us to get ready for a violent jihad against the West.

What's funny? well, he was basically using the same arguments that i've seen posted here -- i've lived amongst the enemy, so i know how they think, despite appearances they hate us; look at their actions in israel and bosnia and iraq (mid 90's) -- they're obviously out to kill us; muslims get killed every day in those places, but where's the western outcry?; look at their cultural ingresses into our countries, music, food, they want to build churches; quotes from the bible taken out of context; look at history and how they've treated everyone; etc.

sound familiar?

hate the haters and the hypocrites.

Letum · 03-28-08, 08:58 PM

Some people in a particular group did something bad so this is a group of bad people.
Does not compute!

Some people read and follow a book that contains a handful of morally dubious quotes,
so they must be morally dubious people.
Does not compute!

Judge people not by their race, nationality, religion, age, gender, sexual orientation,
wealth, beauty, disabilities or any other group they might belong to.

Judge them as an individual by their actions, words and habits and then only after you
understand them.

*edit* Well said Caspofungin.

Skybird · 03-28-08, 08:20 PM

What sombody labels himself as, is not my concern, and does not interest me. My quarrel is with the ideology of islam as it is defining itself by the Quran and the tradition of Hadith and the laws of Sharia. that includes that i have problems with everybody being in complianan ce with this truly quranic islam, and I fail to see that there can be any other Islam deserving this name.

I dealt with people calling themselves muslim, but who were not Muslim by Quranic definition. fine.

I also dealt with people calling themselves muslim, and really being in conformity with Quran's understanding of what islam is. Very big problem. I consider them to be enemies, and very often they behaved hostile or arrogant indeed.

and i dealt with people who are the first of the above, but do not care or ignore the existence of the latter. these I see as potentially problematic, for they may not be radicals, but their ignorrance allows to strengthen these socalled racils and deceive about their motivation - but for reasons of comfortable, lazy habits, not because a true and deep-anchored hostility on their mind. they are "Mitläufer" (fellow travellers ?)

As I see it it there are many shades of calling oneself Muslim - but there is only one colour of true islamic Muslimship. and the latter is the islam the Quran is meaning. Everything else is anything - but not Islam.

That'S why I say that islam cannot be refomred, but eventually societies can be influenced that finally maybe they do not reform Islam, biut move beyond islam alltogether and repalkce it with something that is not Islam for sure, but something different and something better.

as the poll is not precise in what kind of Muslim it means, I take the name by it'S word and refer to Muslims as the Quran defines islam. Thus, option three from me, of course. i do not hate them. but I identify them as an enemy to all non-muslim mankind, and oppose them with all determination, because there is no other choice.

STEED · 03-29-08, 07:21 AM

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Good night.

Sorry i missed it, PM me if you have problem

That's alright, I was

last night with some other issue that came to light which got me more

and so on.

Happy Times · 03-29-08, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

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Good night.

Sorry i missed it, PM me if you have problem

That's alright, I was

last night with some other issue that came to light which got me more

and so on.

I also feel bad for being confrontational, i just feel strongly on the subject and think it is important. I really felt freedom of speech took a step back yesterday. Ofcourse i cant except everyone to agree, "i would die for your right to disagree with me".

Trex · 03-29-08, 07:44 AM

History has a way of repeating itself.

If one looks at Elizabethan England (and considerably later, come to think of it), there was a religious group feared and ostracized by the majority. One could not marry into their group unless one changed to their faith. While the majority were peaceful citizens who wished only to live life their own way, they were distrusted by the majority for allegedly having more loyalty to their religion than to the state. Some of their members had committed and had attempted to commit acts of mass terror, including bombings. Foreign personnel slipped covertly into the country to incite hatred and acts of vengeance from secret safe houses. Small bands in the country carried out acts of violence, while larger numbers trained overseas for the final battle to convert England, by force if need be, to the True Faith. It was in many ways a time of terror, distrust and xenophobia.

The group? Roman Catholics.

We survived that cultural clash. I think we will survive this one.

DeepIron · 03-29-08, 07:44 AM

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I don't have a problem with anyone, unless they make one for me.

Pretty much covers it for me...

Etienne · 03-29-08, 07:45 AM

Starting when someone post a primordial thread (PT) on islam (a), likelihood of muslim related threads (b, c, ..., n) will increase exponentially until the entire first page of GT (G1) is covered only by Islam / Israel / Jihad threads, stickies, and the curiosity killed the cat thread (Ω). This is compounded by the overall human moderator annoyance numbers (OH-MAN).

The Fed Up Level (FU) will then be reached, indicating the end of the current islamic period (PT-FU) and muslim threads will disappear for a period, which last until the occurence of terrorism and cultural accomodation in world events as a function of certain posters' free time that will attain the sufficient internet outrage point (ZOMG) for a triggering event (PT).

Sadly, I don't have Excel on this computer to come up with a graph. :-D

In short: Every couple of months, we get into the Islam fad. It'll go away. Time your vacation from subsim right, and you can avoid them entirely!

View Poll Results: Are you comfortable with the Muslims/Islamics?
Yes	31	55.36%
Somewhat	2	3.57%
No	16	28.57%
I hate them, utterly HATE them.	7	12.50%
Voters: 56. You may not vote on this poll

03-28-08, 07:36 PM	#1
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Post deleted by me. Good night. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

03-28-08, 08:58 PM	#9
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Some people in a particular group did something bad so this is a group of bad people. Does not compute! Some people read and follow a book that contains a handful of morally dubious quotes, so they must be morally dubious people. Does not compute! Judge people not by their race, nationality, religion, age, gender, sexual orientation, wealth, beauty, disabilities or any other group they might belong to. Judge them as an individual by their actions, words and habits and then only after you understand them. edit Well said Caspofungin. __________________

03-28-08, 08:20 PM	#10
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,685 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	What sombody labels himself as, is not my concern, and does not interest me. My quarrel is with the ideology of islam as it is defining itself by the Quran and the tradition of Hadith and the laws of Sharia. that includes that i have problems with everybody being in complianan ce with this truly quranic islam, and I fail to see that there can be any other Islam deserving this name. I dealt with people calling themselves muslim, but who were not Muslim by Quranic definition. fine. I also dealt with people calling themselves muslim, and really being in conformity with Quran's understanding of what islam is. Very big problem. I consider them to be enemies, and very often they behaved hostile or arrogant indeed. and i dealt with people who are the first of the above, but do not care or ignore the existence of the latter. these I see as potentially problematic, for they may not be radicals, but their ignorrance allows to strengthen these socalled racils and deceive about their motivation - but for reasons of comfortable, lazy habits, not because a true and deep-anchored hostility on their mind. they are "Mitläufer" (fellow travellers ?) As I see it it there are many shades of calling oneself Muslim - but there is only one colour of true islamic Muslimship. and the latter is the islam the Quran is meaning. Everything else is anything - but not Islam. That'S why I say that islam cannot be refomred, but eventually societies can be influenced that finally maybe they do not reform Islam, biut move beyond islam alltogether and repalkce it with something that is not Islam for sure, but something different and something better. as the poll is not precise in what kind of Muslim it means, I take the name by it'S word and refer to Muslims as the Quran defines islam. Thus, option three from me, of course. i do not hate them. but I identify them as an enemy to all non-muslim mankind, and oppose them with all determination, because there is no other choice. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 03-28-08 at 08:30 PM.

03-29-08, 07:45 AM	#15
Etienne Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 695 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	The Unified Theory of General Topic (Subsim): Starting when someone post a primordial thread (PT) on islam (a), likelihood of muslim related threads (b, c, ..., n) will increase exponentially until the entire first page of GT (G1) is covered only by Islam / Israel / Jihad threads, stickies, and the curiosity killed the cat thread (Ω). This is compounded by the overall human moderator annoyance numbers (OH-MAN). The Fed Up Level (FU) will then be reached, indicating the end of the current islamic period (PT-FU) and muslim threads will disappear for a period, which last until the occurence of terrorism and cultural accomodation in world events as a function of certain posters' free time that will attain the sufficient internet outrage point (ZOMG) for a triggering event (PT). Sadly, I don't have Excel on this computer to come up with a graph. :-D In short: Every couple of months, we get into the Islam fad. It'll go away. Time your vacation from subsim right, and you can avoid them entirely! Last edited by Etienne; 03-29-08 at 08:04 AM.

03-28-08, 07:45 PM	#3
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Yeah, I'm off SS for the night. Got a horrid headache. We'll continue this discussion in the morning.

03-28-08, 08:15 PM	#6
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	No, not comfortable. I have NEVER heard anything GOOD about them. Nor have i SEEN anything good. My opinion and distrust increased during the "cartoonist riots". Up until that point, i thought it was just the extremists. After that point, i think that the majority of them ARE extremists. In one fell swoop, they proved the cartoonists caricatures corrrect. I have yet to have heard, or seen, any reason to be comfortable.

03-28-08, 08:56 PM	#8
caspofungin Commander Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 459 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	what's with all the inflammatory threads on islam the last couple of weeks? let me tell a funny story... once upon a time, when i was a young man in london, i went to the university mosque for friday prayers. after we'd finished, a guy stood up and started talking. he was from hizb-al-tahrir, and he was basically telling us to get ready for a violent jihad against the West. What's funny? well, he was basically using the same arguments that i've seen posted here -- i've lived amongst the enemy, so i know how they think, despite appearances they hate us; look at their actions in israel and bosnia and iraq (mid 90's) -- they're obviously out to kill us; muslims get killed every day in those places, but where's the western outcry?; look at their cultural ingresses into our countries, music, food, they want to build churches; quotes from the bible taken out of context; look at history and how they've treated everyone; etc. sound familiar? hate the haters and the hypocrites.

03-29-08, 07:44 AM	#13
Trex Lieutenant Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 262 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	History has a way of repeating itself. If one looks at Elizabethan England (and considerably later, come to think of it), there was a religious group feared and ostracized by the majority. One could not marry into their group unless one changed to their faith. While the majority were peaceful citizens who wished only to live life their own way, they were distrusted by the majority for allegedly having more loyalty to their religion than to the state. Some of their members had committed and had attempted to commit acts of mass terror, including bombings. Foreign personnel slipped covertly into the country to incite hatred and acts of vengeance from secret safe houses. Small bands in the country carried out acts of violence, while larger numbers trained overseas for the final battle to convert England, by force if need be, to the True Faith. It was in many ways a time of terror, distrust and xenophobia. The group? Roman Catholics. We survived that cultural clash. I think we will survive this one.