[REL] GWX Mission orders

Wreford-Brown · 03-24-08, 08:42 PM

This mod is finally complete and ready for release. Further details are at:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...944#post819944

Apologies for the false start and many thanks for your support, especially those who have helped me on the way.

CapZap1970 · 03-24-08, 09:08 PM

WB:
Thanks a lot!!!

Will take a look at it right now.
CapZap

Philipp_Thomsen · 03-24-08, 09:10 PM

Way to go, dude!

Thats exactly what was missing on those radiomessages... REALISM!

Thank u very much!

KeldorKatarn · 03-24-08, 09:47 PM

Now all I need is a German translation

dcb · 03-25-08, 12:24 AM

Wonderful idea in terms of gameplay & immersion. Thanks a lot

Wolfehunter · 03-25-08, 12:27 AM

This looks good thanks

A6Intruder · 03-25-08, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KeldorKatarn

Now all I need is a German translation

So true!

Kind regards

Grayson02sept1980 · 03-25-08, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by A6Intruder

Quote:

Originally Posted by KeldorKatarn

Now all I need is a German translation

So true!

Kind regards

say PLEASE!

A6Intruder · 03-25-08, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grayson02sept1980

Quote:

Originally Posted by A6Intruder

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Originally Posted by KeldorKatarn

Now all I need is a German translation

So true!

Kind regards

say PLEASE!

PLEASE;PLEASE;PLEASE;PLEASE;PLEASE;PLEASE;PLEASE;P LEASE;PLEASE;PLEASE;PLEASE!!

Kind regards

Umfuld · 03-25-08, 06:22 AM

Sounds like a great idea. Thanks!

Penelope_Grey · 03-25-08, 06:45 AM

You know what... I reckon I may well bloody use this myself!

Top holes!

danurve · 03-25-08, 08:46 AM

Wreford-Brown; what editor are you using, Notepad?

You have mistakes in timers and tab-spacing just like emaluzer did with his rel.
IMO these should be corrected before you release the work.

GlobalExplorer · 03-25-08, 01:04 PM

This is an excellent idea Wreford-Brown and you deserve credit for taking this on.

But I think a word of warning is necessary here!

Finishing this mod is going to be a lork of work. But do you realize you will have to do it again every time the GWX campaign changes? Same problem with other campaigns and people who use small mods for GWX which change campaign data.

To make it brief, you will be in version hell. If the radio messages are not 100% in sync with the campaign data, they will do more harm than good. And the cp data are changing all the time, I guess even the GWX team would not know every small change that is happening.

Thats why I have several times suggested to rather think about a program that creates detailed radio messages automatically - following a programmatic analysis of the campaign data. Only then people will still use this mod in 1 or two years, only then you need not work on it for the rest of your life.

I know this is probably out of your depth if you're not a programmer. But maybe it would be a good idea to think about my warning and try to team up with other people who have the knowledge required. Because as I said above, otherwise your work might be mostly in vain.

Hope you see this as what it is - a warning by someone who has some experience with this kind of problem - and not as critcism of your work in any way.

GlobalExplorer · 03-25-08, 01:11 PM

In order to help the creators of such mods, I also suggested that all campaign editors provide meta data of some kind. I discussed this with Rubini 2 years ago for his harbor traffic, and I remember he understood my suggestion very well, but I guess we were both already to burned out on SHIII to make any more steps in this direction.

It's too late now for SHIII, but as a further suggestion for modding SHIV and other games: think about adding meta data to the campaign files that describe what you have changed and what this means in the historic context. Ideally of course would be a common standard that everyone agrees on and that could be understood by external programs (SH3Cmdr, Sh3Gen etc).

Grayson02sept1980 · 03-25-08, 01:38 PM

WIP

I have started with just translating the english message.txt...
hard work....

right now I have realized that I ould copy the appropriate lins from the german message.txt and only translate the new ones.

But please... give me some time. after 1h of translation I am at only/have done ~5% of the whole file

so far

and working in this unformated file is giving me headaches...

but I promise it will be done.

03-24-08, 08:42 PM	#1
Wreford-Brown Sea Lord Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In sight of Stonehenge Posts: 1,750 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 26	GWX Mission orders This mod is finally complete and ready for release. Further details are at: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...944#post819944 Apologies for the false start and many thanks for your support, especially those who have helped me on the way. __________________ All my mods are available at MediaFire: SH3 Mods Other modders SH3 mods SH4 Mods ...you can't please all of the people all of the time... Last edited by Wreford-Brown; 03-26-08 at 08:29 PM. Reason: Mod released

03-24-08, 09:08 PM	#2
CapZap1970 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: La Paz, Bolivia Posts: 1,965 Downloads: 276 Uploads: 51	WB: Thanks a lot!!! Will take a look at it right now. CapZap __________________

03-24-08, 09:10 PM	#3
Philipp_Thomsen Old Gang Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Drunk at the whorehouse Posts: 2,278 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Way to go, dude! Thats exactly what was missing on those radiomessages... REALISM! Thank u very much! __________________ To each his own

03-25-08, 12:27 AM	#6
Wolfehunter Crusty Capt. Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,752 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 25	This looks good thanks __________________

03-25-08, 06:22 AM	#10
Umfuld Captain Join Date: May 2006 Location: USA Posts: 503 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Sounds like a great idea. Thanks! __________________ Type VIIB = The Truth

03-24-08, 09:47 PM	#4
KeldorKatarn Helmsman Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 103 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Now all I need is a German translation

03-25-08, 12:24 AM	#5
dcb Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 845 Downloads: 544 Uploads: 0	Wonderful idea in terms of gameplay & immersion. Thanks a lot

03-25-08, 06:45 AM	#11
Penelope_Grey Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,893 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You know what... I reckon I may well bloody use this myself! Top holes! __________________ I SURVIVED THE FIRST EVER SUBSIM WEREWOLF HUNT - and... I actually won the game for the humans too!

03-25-08, 08:46 AM	#12
danurve The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 1,481 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 3	Wreford-Brown; what editor are you using, Notepad? You have mistakes in timers and tab-spacing just like emaluzer did with his rel. IMO these should be corrected before you release the work. __________________

03-25-08, 01:04 PM	#13
GlobalExplorer Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 2,015 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	This is an excellent idea Wreford-Brown and you deserve credit for taking this on. But I think a word of warning is necessary here! Finishing this mod is going to be a lork of work. But do you realize you will have to do it again every time the GWX campaign changes? Same problem with other campaigns and people who use small mods for GWX which change campaign data. To make it brief, you will be in version hell. If the radio messages are not 100% in sync with the campaign data, they will do more harm than good. And the cp data are changing all the time, I guess even the GWX team would not know every small change that is happening. Thats why I have several times suggested to rather think about a program that creates detailed radio messages automatically - following a programmatic analysis of the campaign data. Only then people will still use this mod in 1 or two years, only then you need not work on it for the rest of your life. I know this is probably out of your depth if you're not a programmer. But maybe it would be a good idea to think about my warning and try to team up with other people who have the knowledge required. Because as I said above, otherwise your work might be mostly in vain. Hope you see this as what it is - a warning by someone who has some experience with this kind of problem - and not as critcism of your work in any way. __________________

03-25-08, 01:11 PM	#14
GlobalExplorer Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 2,015 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	In order to help the creators of such mods, I also suggested that all campaign editors provide meta data of some kind. I discussed this with Rubini 2 years ago for his harbor traffic, and I remember he understood my suggestion very well, but I guess we were both already to burned out on SHIII to make any more steps in this direction. It's too late now for SHIII, but as a further suggestion for modding SHIV and other games: think about adding meta data to the campaign files that describe what you have changed and what this means in the historic context. Ideally of course would be a common standard that everyone agrees on and that could be understood by external programs (SH3Cmdr, Sh3Gen etc). __________________

03-25-08, 01:38 PM	#15
Grayson02sept1980 中国水兵 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Germany-Bayreuth Posts: 276 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	WIP I have started with just translating the english message.txt... hard work.... right now I have realized that I ould copy the appropriate lins from the german message.txt and only translate the new ones. But please... give me some time. after 1h of translation I am at only/have done ~5% of the whole file so far and working in this unformated file is giving me headaches... but I promise it will be done. __________________ SH3 Commander GWX 2.0 OLC GUI