Obama's bra 54 Double D!

[NEON DEON]

Originally Posted by Von Tonner

have a look at what old Bill had to say about the reverend Wright after he invited and embraced him into the White House. Hell, he even wrote a letter to him a few days later saying he was uplifted by his semon. I am cerainly not arguing or trying to find excuses for Wright, all I am saying is, put this into perspective. Sound bites don't help.

LOL

Perspective?

This is perspective?

An 800 pound gorrilla vs. Mini me!

A form letter and a publicity photo

VS.

A 20 year relationship with a racialy motivated church and pastor.

The wrong Rev. Wright seems to have influenced his wife and BHO given his wife"s comment. BHO failure to salute the flag during the national anthem and refusal to ware the American flag just goes to show there is influence there.

PS:

This page is not a sound bite and it is from Trinity church web site.

http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html


Perspective. :p

Sound bite my a##!

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Von Tonner

I think you want to google Billy Graham and see what he has to say about Jews and Catholics, or better still, have a look at what old Bill had to say about the reverend Wright after he invited and embraced him into the White House. Hell, he even wrote a letter to him a few days later saying he was uplifted by his semon. I am cerainly not arguing or trying to find excuses for Wright, all I am saying is, put this into perspective. Sound bites don't help.

Billy Graham is not anybody in governments preacher so whats your point? I don't think Grahams been to the White house in a few years because of some of his remarks if that is what you are tying to point out.
Wright was one of a group of clerics at the White House in 1998 for a prayer breakfast. Not exactly a presidential endorsement.
I put it in perspective.

During a Christmas sermon, Wright tried to compare Obama’s upbringing to Jesus at the hands of the Romans.
“Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people,” Wright said. “Hillary would never know that.
“Hillary ain’t never been called a ******. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.”
In his Jan. 13 sermon, Wright said:
“Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.”

Thats all the perspective I need.

[AVGWarhawk]

Starfox:

he was born trash?

You cannot be born trash, you have to earn it though your actions. My father was black and my mother is white, does that make me trash too? From the way he mentions it, yes I guess I am trash.

When I listen to this "pastor" Starfox that is impression that I got. As if he is unpure because of a black father and white mother. I noted he particularly went after the white mother of Obama as if she were some type of harlot. It did have a overtone of being racial. I feel for you in this respect and certainly you are not trash as this loose cannon would have you believe. You are correct, the "trash" label is gotten from poor action or inaction and that includes every walk of life.

Guess what, I have done more with my life then I ever thought possiable. I have fought for a ship that is an American Icon. I have worked my way up from a failing student in High school to a College student that is rather succesful. I am not trash.

Reverend, you can kiss both cheeks of my ass

Being that you and I live in the land of the free, you can send off a nice letter to this paster and his church with a nice challenge to the talk of "trash" because of a black father and white mother. I would certainly think about it. Send him a nice pic of your posterior to kiss I wonder if anyone in the congregation also has the same situation as you and Obama when it comes to parents.:hmm: I wonder if he caught any crap for it after his sermon was completed. Do not let it worry you, your good name is all you need to make it though life.

[Von Tonner]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

How can someone lead spiritually when they are bigots? OB by virtue of him staying there and being silent agrees with him.

So we agree that the Pope, Billy Graham, christian fundamentalists both in the US and elsewhere, in fact, any religious leader of whatever persuasion that either through scripture or belief excludes, denounces, shuns, any group of people or ideas contary to their own are bigots. You won't find me arguing with you there.

On whether OB should have got up if he was present during one of these rants and say: "Excuse me Reverand, if you don't stop speaking crap, I will be be forced to leave as some time in over the course of the next 20 years I might want to run for the presidency of the USA and I don't want to run the risk of acquiesing to your statements. But the rest of you good folk in the pews who don't harbour such aspirations feel free to stay - just please don't excomunicate me".

Sorry, I don't buy it. If you are going to hold him to such standards we must ALL be held, and if we all did what you state he should have, I doubt there would be a religious house left anywhere in the world that would still have a congregation to speak of.

[Von Tonner]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Billy Graham is not anybody in governments preacher so whats your point? I don't think Grahams been to the White house in a few years because of some of his remarks if that is what you are tying to point out.

Well, he and the Clintons appear to be more than just good friends - that is my point. So my question is: Why is Hillary not called upon to repudiate some of his outlandish remarks? Just asking.

Speaking to thousands of people on the second night of his crusade in New York City, Billy Graham stood by the side of former President Bill Clinton and his wife, Hillary. Graham said “Mrs. Clinton might make a good President.” He called Bill Clinton and his wife “wonderful friends” and “a great couple.” Graham said that the former President “should become an evangelist and allow his wife to run the country.”
http://soldierservant.wordpress.com/...for-president/

[Von Tonner]

Originally Posted by NEON DEON

This page is not a sound bite and it is from Trinity church web site.

http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html


Perspective. :p

Sound bite my a##!

Unless I missed something, and please point out if I did, all I saw on that site was "The Black Value System" a "10 point vision" for the church, a statement "unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christain" - nothing earth shattering. I am unashamedly white and proud of it - so what?

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Von Tonner

Well, he and the Clintons appear to be more than just good friends - that is my point. So my question is: Why is Hillary not called upon to repudiate some of his outlandish remarks? Just asking.

Show me where Graham even comes close to or along the lines of Wrights comments. I'm asking this because I've looked and couldn't find any. Was Graham a full time preacher to any of eleven administrations that had invited him to the white house?

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Von Tonner

On whether OB should have got up if he was present during one of these rants and say: "Excuse me Reverand, if you don't stop speaking crap, I will be be forced to leave as some time in over the course of the next 20 years I might want to run for the presidency of the USA and I don't want to run the risk of acquiesing to your statements. But the rest of you good folk in the pews who don't harbour such aspirations feel free to stay - just please don't excomunicate me".

Oh, about anytime he decided to step into public life would have been a good time. How many years has that been? I'll ask you again what if Hillary's preacher said the same things about blacks. I'm not asking you to defend Wright I'm asking what if Hillary's preacher said the same things about blacks.
Nothing stopped Obama from attending another church except his choice to voluntarily be there. By staying and not voicing any objection he agrees with Wright. I'd say he has had more then enough time. I don't want something like that leading my country Period!

[Tchocky]

Am I the only who's left cold by the hullabaloo over Wright's comments?
Unusual? Yes.
Unhelpful for elections? Yes.
Unreasonable? Yes.
Shocking or surprising? Hell no.
Like many statements that candidates have to deny, there's a grain of truth. The US didn't create AIDS to kill black people. Google the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment. The US isn't 100% responsible for what happened on 9/11. Google blowback.
This doesn't mean that Wright is right, it just invalidates a hell of a lot of the coverage.
Here's the whole thing, ignore the video title/comments/spin.

It seems that the media/public can't handle the usual election cycle of flag-humping being interrupted. That a candidate for office doesn't seem to "love the country enough" would get laughed out of contention in this country. Knocking someone for displaying an invented notion of "anti-americanism" is ridiculous, or would be here.

[NEON DEON]

Originally Posted by Von Tonner

Unless I missed something, and please point out if I did, all I saw on that site was "The Black Value System" a "10 point vision" for the church, a statement "unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christain" - nothing earth shattering. I am unashamedly white and proud of it - so what?

You are seeing what you want to see.

So much so you failed to look at the link I posted. Because if you did you would see it for yourself.

BTW

The site lists 12 points not 10.

Read the link and while reading switch the word black with white.

Point 11:

"Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System."

A church asking allegiance.

Not to God, Not to your country, but to your race.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Am I the only who's left cold by the hullabaloo over Wright's comments?

It's not over Wrights comments. There's people like him everywhere and in every race. The hullabaloo is over a presidential wannabe agreeing with those comments by virtue of him staying with that preacher and/or not commenting on his statements for twenty years. He can pledge allegiance to just blacks if he wants to but not as my president. There are some things with politicians I can take like the likelihood they are crooks or sexual deviants and some I can't take. For me personally this is a can't take.

[Stealth Hunter]

EDIT: Now you know what Barack would look like with a kick-ass afro.

[STEED]

Colourful language from a man of the cloth.

Got to give him some credit as he makes the Church of England preachers look so liberal and wet.

[sonar732]

Stealth Hunter...I'm confused by your photoshot picture.

[Stealth Hunter]

There's no real point to it. Just felt like posting it. Don't want it to rot, so I decided to use it for once.