Obama's bra 54 Double D!

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Von Tonner

Well, he and the Clintons appear to be more than just good friends - that is my point. So my question is: Why is Hillary not called upon to repudiate some of his outlandish remarks? Just asking.

Show me where Graham even comes close to or along the lines of Wrights comments. I'm asking this because I've looked and couldn't find any. Was Graham a full time preacher to any of eleven administrations that had invited him to the white house?

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Von Tonner

On whether OB should have got up if he was present during one of these rants and say: "Excuse me Reverand, if you don't stop speaking crap, I will be be forced to leave as some time in over the course of the next 20 years I might want to run for the presidency of the USA and I don't want to run the risk of acquiesing to your statements. But the rest of you good folk in the pews who don't harbour such aspirations feel free to stay - just please don't excomunicate me".

Oh, about anytime he decided to step into public life would have been a good time. How many years has that been? I'll ask you again what if Hillary's preacher said the same things about blacks. I'm not asking you to defend Wright I'm asking what if Hillary's preacher said the same things about blacks.
Nothing stopped Obama from attending another church except his choice to voluntarily be there. By staying and not voicing any objection he agrees with Wright. I'd say he has had more then enough time. I don't want something like that leading my country Period!

[Tchocky]

Am I the only who's left cold by the hullabaloo over Wright's comments?
Unusual? Yes.
Unhelpful for elections? Yes.
Unreasonable? Yes.
Shocking or surprising? Hell no.
Like many statements that candidates have to deny, there's a grain of truth. The US didn't create AIDS to kill black people. Google the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment. The US isn't 100% responsible for what happened on 9/11. Google blowback.
This doesn't mean that Wright is right, it just invalidates a hell of a lot of the coverage.
Here's the whole thing, ignore the video title/comments/spin.

It seems that the media/public can't handle the usual election cycle of flag-humping being interrupted. That a candidate for office doesn't seem to "love the country enough" would get laughed out of contention in this country. Knocking someone for displaying an invented notion of "anti-americanism" is ridiculous, or would be here.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Am I the only who's left cold by the hullabaloo over Wright's comments?

It's not over Wrights comments. There's people like him everywhere and in every race. The hullabaloo is over a presidential wannabe agreeing with those comments by virtue of him staying with that preacher and/or not commenting on his statements for twenty years. He can pledge allegiance to just blacks if he wants to but not as my president. There are some things with politicians I can take like the likelihood they are crooks or sexual deviants and some I can't take. For me personally this is a can't take.

[Von Tonner]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

He can pledge allegiance to just blacks if he wants to but not as my president. There are some things with politicians I can take like the likelihood they are crooks or sexual deviants and some I can't take. For me personally this is a can't take.

Correct me if I am wrong, but did not JFK say, "First I am the President of the USA, and then a Catholic". Given that the USA is a secular state I would accord Obama the intelligence to understand that his religious beliefs stay on the other side of the Oval office door at all times. No majority is going to vote him into office as the spiritual leader of America.

Kennedy said he would follow his own conscience, not allowing any church interferences with what his conscience dictated: "I believe in a President whose religious views are his own private affair." In his speech, he faced squarely points on which the Vatican might like to interfere:
Whatever issue may come before me as President, if I should be elected—on birth control, divorce, censorship, gambling or any other subject—I will make my decision...in accordance with what my conscience tells me to be the national interest, and without regard to outside religious pressures or dictates. And no power or threat of punishment could cause me to decide otherwise.
If his conscience and his public duty were ever in conflict—which he thought impossible—he said, "I would resign the office."
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/20939

Would it help if Obama made a similar undertaking?

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Von Tonner

Would it help if Obama made a similar undertaking?

We aren't talking religion though are we? The only thing that notes religion about this is that Wrights a preacher. Other then that it's a completely different message.