Obama's bra 54 Double D!

Platapus · 03-20-08, 04:03 PM

I thought that Senator Obama's speech on Monday (I think) was good. Straight forward and he addressed the concerns.

People who attend church are not mindless zombies. Just because a soon to retire pastor vents does not mean that everyone in the church is going to buy it.

Just because Senator Obama said that this pastor was his spiritual mentor does not mean that he blindly accepts everything he said. I have have had many mentors in both my professional and academic lives. I have not had one that I did not strongly disagree with on some matter. Does that mean they can't be my mentor?

No, it does mean that I learned from them. I always learned from my mentors. Sometimes I learned what to do and other times I learned what not to do.

It is quite probable that Senator Obama listened to this crap and disagreed. If I were to sever contact with everyone I ever disagreed with I would be a lonely man indeed.

To me this is a non-issue being fanned by the Senator Clinton team.

There are other more important things you can either like or dislike Senator Obama about then what some jerk in his church said before retiring.

NEON DEON · 03-20-08, 04:43 PM

It is not just the Pastor. It is written into church doctrine and documented on their web site for all to see. The church Obama has attended for almost 20 years.

Obama has openly contradicted his own statement on Wright several times this past week. One minute he says he never heard or knew of it the next he is saying before the campaign started he never knew then back again to never heard of it at all before now.

http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html

AVGWarhawk · 03-20-08, 07:17 PM

@Playtapus:

Birds of a feather flock together. I do not believe for a instant that if someone such as Obama disagrees with his pastor would continue to sit in the pew for 20 years. Read the church doctrine. In this instance is there guilt by association? I believe there is.

sonar732 · 03-20-08, 09:07 PM

If Obama would've made his comments when all of this came about a long time ago, he wouldn't be in the pickle that he's in now. I remember when he was thinking about running and they were questioning his relationship with his pastor.

Stealth Hunter · 03-22-08, 02:42 PM

EDIT: Now you know what Barack would look like with a kick-ass afro.

STEED · 03-22-08, 03:01 PM

Colourful language from a man of the cloth.

Got to give him some credit as he makes the Church of England preachers look so liberal and wet.

sonar732 · 03-22-08, 03:54 PM

Stealth Hunter...I'm confused by your photoshot picture.

NEON DEON · 03-23-08, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

EDIT: Now you know what Barack would look like with a kick-ass afro.

Is that Link from the 70s TV show

THE ROOKIES

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl::rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

EDIT: OOPS! Wrong cop show. Link was on the Mod Squad.

Stealth Hunter · 03-23-08, 02:31 AM

Hey, hey, hey! Somebody vetoed my bill yesterday.

nikimcbee · 03-20-08, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

@Playtapus:

Birds of a feather flock together. I do not believe for a instant that if someone such as Obama disagrees with his pastor would continue to sit in the pew for 20 years. Read the church doctrine. In this instance is there guilt by association? I believe there is.

Yeah, Oprah went there and left. Kinda makes you wonder:hmm:

I agree with Sailor Steve:
A couple of instant reactions:

1) Way to preach the gospel of Christ, 'reverend'!

2) Who does he want for president? Sounds like he's using Bill to campaign for Hillary.

Iceman · 03-20-08, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

@Playtapus:

Birds of a feather flock together. I do not believe for a instant that if someone such as Obama disagrees with his pastor would continue to sit in the pew for 20 years. Read the church doctrine. In this instance is there guilt by association? I believe there is.

Sound judgement.

Von Tonner · 03-21-08, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

I thought that Senator Obama's speech on Monday (I think) was good. Straight forward and he addressed the concerns.

People who attend church are not mindless zombies. Just because a soon to retire pastor vents does not mean that everyone in the church is going to buy it.

Just because Senator Obama said that this pastor was his spiritual mentor does not mean that he blindly accepts everything he said. I have have had many mentors in both my professional and academic lives. I have not had one that I did not strongly disagree with on some matter. Does that mean they can't be my mentor?

No, it does mean that I learned from them. I always learned from my mentors. Sometimes I learned what to do and other times I learned what not to do.

It is quite probable that Senator Obama listened to this crap and disagreed. If I were to sever contact with everyone I ever disagreed with I would be a lonely man indeed.

To me this is a non-issue being fanned by the Senator Clinton team.

There are other more important things you can either like or dislike Senator Obama about then what some jerk in his church said before retiring.

Spot on Platapus

How many millions of people attend church every Sunday and hear their minister/preacher/priest etc denounce Darwinism? Does that mean that you "by association" support them in that view? Hardly. And here we are talking about a fundemental difference to the very principal of Christianity. One promoting 'chance', the other 'purpose'.

As Obama has himself said, he sought out some people to help him in his fledging political career - that is the nature of politics, possibly more so in Chicago, and particularly within the black community. It is not allways "what you know" but "who you know" that gets some doors opened. I also believe this view of his is articulated in his belief that if he is elected president of the USA he will open up dialogue with America's enemies as opposed to pointedly ignoring them.

Personally, I think the only question that has to be vigoursly asked of him is whether he agreed with those views of his minister. He has gone on record as saying he does not. Now, unless someone comes forward with reputable evidence to challenge him on this, then it is time to move on.

bradclark1 · 03-21-08, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Von Tonner

How many millions of people attend church every Sunday and hear their minister/preacher/priest etc denounce Darwinism? Does that mean that you "by association" support them in that view?

I'd say there is a little difference between your example and his action(or inaction). How can someone lead spiritually when they are bigots? OB by virtue of him staying there and being silent agrees with him. Kind of like the slip by his wife in saying that her husband running for president is the first time she was proud of this country. A normal couple I would shrug and say "Thats there opinion". They aren't normal. He's running for the top post of this country. It matters. That cut him out of the loop as far as I'm concerned.

In fact lets turn it a little. If Hillary was a member of a church where her minister was against blacks what do you think would happen? All hell would have been raised, she would have lost every supporter, she would drop out of the race and she would be finished politically. Double standard as far as I'm concerned.

Von Tonner · 03-21-08, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1

In fact lets turn it a little. If Hillary was a member of a church where her minister was against blacks what do you think would happen? All hell would have been raised, she would have lost every supporter, she would drop out of the race and she would be finished politically. Double standard as far as I'm concerned.

I think you want to google Billy Graham and see what he has to say about Jews and Catholics, or better still, have a look at what old Bill had to say about the reverend Wright after he invited and embraced him into the White House. Hell, he even wrote a letter to him a few days later saying he was uplifted by his semon. I am cerainly not arguing or trying to find excuses for Wright, all I am saying is, put this into perspective. Sound bites don't help.

NEON DEON · 03-21-08, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Von Tonner

have a look at what old Bill had to say about the reverend Wright after he invited and embraced him into the White House. Hell, he even wrote a letter to him a few days later saying he was uplifted by his semon. I am cerainly not arguing or trying to find excuses for Wright, all I am saying is, put this into perspective. Sound bites don't help.

LOL

Perspective?

This is perspective?

An 800 pound gorrilla vs. Mini me!

A form letter and a publicity photo

VS.

A 20 year relationship with a racialy motivated church and pastor.

The wrong Rev. Wright seems to have influenced his wife and BHO given his wife"s comment. BHO failure to salute the flag during the national anthem and refusal to ware the American flag just goes to show there is influence there.

PS:

This page is not a sound bite and it is from Trinity church web site.

http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html

Perspective. :p

Sound bite my a##!

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03-20-08, 04:03 PM	#1
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,369 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I thought that Senator Obama's speech on Monday (I think) was good. Straight forward and he addressed the concerns. People who attend church are not mindless zombies. Just because a soon to retire pastor vents does not mean that everyone in the church is going to buy it. Just because Senator Obama said that this pastor was his spiritual mentor does not mean that he blindly accepts everything he said. I have have had many mentors in both my professional and academic lives. I have not had one that I did not strongly disagree with on some matter. Does that mean they can't be my mentor? No, it does mean that I learned from them. I always learned from my mentors. Sometimes I learned what to do and other times I learned what not to do. It is quite probable that Senator Obama listened to this crap and disagreed. If I were to sever contact with everyone I ever disagreed with I would be a lonely man indeed. To me this is a non-issue being fanned by the Senator Clinton team. There are other more important things you can either like or dislike Senator Obama about then what some jerk in his church said before retiring. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

03-20-08, 04:43 PM	#2
NEON DEON Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,207 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 5	It is not just the Pastor. It is written into church doctrine and documented on their web site for all to see. The church Obama has attended for almost 20 years. Obama has openly contradicted his own statement on Wright several times this past week. One minute he says he never heard or knew of it the next he is saying before the campaign started he never knew then back again to never heard of it at all before now. http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html __________________ Diesel Boats Forever!

03-20-08, 07:17 PM	#3
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,257 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	@Playtapus: Birds of a feather flock together. I do not believe for a instant that if someone such as Obama disagrees with his pastor would continue to sit in the pew for 20 years. Read the church doctrine. In this instance is there guilt by association? I believe there is. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

03-22-08, 02:42 PM	#5
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	EDIT: Now you know what Barack would look like with a kick-ass afro. Last edited by Stealth Hunter; 03-22-08 at 06:18 PM.

03-20-08, 09:07 PM	#4
sonar732 The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Central MO Posts: 1,562 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	If Obama would've made his comments when all of this came about a long time ago, he wouldn't be in the pickle that he's in now. I remember when he was *thinking* about running and they were questioning his relationship with his pastor.

03-22-08, 03:01 PM	#6
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Colourful language from a man of the cloth. Got to give him some credit as he makes the Church of England preachers look so liberal and wet. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

03-22-08, 03:54 PM	#7
sonar732 The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Central MO Posts: 1,562 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Stealth Hunter...I'm confused by your photoshot picture.

03-23-08, 02:31 AM	#9
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Hey, hey, hey! Somebody vetoed my bill yesterday.