need expert advice on wwi German (Prussia) and Austrio-hugary awards and orders

Paul.Saenger · 03-19-08, 02:00 PM

And here is how the award sequence would look like:

IC 2nd class:

IC 1st class:

U-boot war badge
Couldn't find an image. Probably a revised version of the WWII award would do the trick, though

Hanseatic cross:

I used the one from Bremen, since IMO it looks the best of those.

Knights cross of the House of Hohenzollern with swords:

Pour le mérite

Military merit order of Bavaria, 4th class with swords:

Order of the crown with star (I have no image with the swords present):

Knights cross of the Order of the red eagle with swords and crown:

Paul.Saenger · 03-19-08, 03:11 PM

Now, the same for Austria.

Austrian order of precedence:

Maria - Theresia Militärorden
Order of the Iron Crown, 1st class
Order of the Iron Crown, 2nd class
Order of the Iron Crown, 3rd class
Grand Cross of the order of Leopold with diamonds and swords
Grand Cross of the order of Leopold with swords
Cross First Class of the order of Leopold with swords
Commander's cross of the order of Leopold with swords
Knight's cross of the order of Leopold with swords
Grand Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords and war decoration
Grand Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords
Grand Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with war decoration
Commander's Star of the order of Franz Joseph with swords and war decoration
Commander's Star of the order of Franz Joseph with swords
Commander's Star of the order of Franz Joseph with war decoration
Commander's Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords and war decoration
Commander's Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords
Commander's Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with war decoration
Officer's Cross Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords and war decoration
Officer's Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords
Officer's Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with war decoration
Knight's Cross Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords and war decoration
Knight's Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords
Knight's Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with war decoration
Military Merit Cross, 1st class (pinback cross) with swords and war decoration
Military Merit Cross, 1st class (pinback cross) with swords
Military Merit Cross, 1st class (pinback cross)
Large Military Merit Medal - usually only awarded to generals. Will disregard that one.
Military Merit Cross, 2nd class (neck badge) with swords and war decoration
Military Merit Cross, 2nd class (neck badge) with swords
Military Merit Cross, 2nd class (neck badge)
Military Merit Cross, 3rd class (ribbon) with swords and war decoration
Military Merit Cross, 3rd class (ribbon) with swords
Military Merit Cross, 3rd class (ribbon)
Military Merit Medal (silver) with swords
Military Merit Medal (silver)
Military Merit Medal (bronze) with swords
Military Merit Medal (bronze)
Wound Medal
u-boat war pin? Did it ever exist? I don't know.

Here is my suggestion for the ten medals we can achieve:

IC2 - Military Merit Cross, 3rd class (ribbon)
IC1 - Military Merit Cross, 3rd class (ribbon) with swords and war decoration
U-Boot war badge - U-boot war pin (if it ever existed) otherwise replace it with military merit medal/wound badge
U-boot front clasp: Military Merit Medal (bronze)
German Cross: Knight's Cross Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords
Knight's Cross: Knight's cross of the order of Leopold with swords
Knight's Cross with oak leaves: Commander's cross of the order of Leopold with swords
Knights cross with oak leaves and swords: Cross First Class of the order of Leopold with swords
Knights cross with swords, oak leaves and diamonds: Order of the iron crown, third class
Knights cross with golden oak leaves, swords and diamonds: Maria-Theresia Militärorden

I am however a bit unhappy with the Austrian -Hungarian situation. They do not really have a clear order of precedence, and very few actual orders. And the Order of franz joseph is actually more of an order for distinguished service than for bravery. This is however the best I can do.

Pics to follow in next post.

Paul.Saenger · 03-19-08, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul.Saenger

Here is my suggestion for the ten medals we can achieve:

IC2 - Military Merit Cross, 3rd class (ribbon)
IC1 - Military Merit Cross, 3rd class (ribbon) with swords and war decoration
U-Boot war badge - U-boot war pin (if it ever existed) otherwise replace it with military merit medal/wound badge
U-boot front clasp: Military Merit Medal (bronze) with swords and ribbon
German Cross: Knight's Cross Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords
Knight's Cross: Knight's cross of the order of Leopold with swords
Knight's Cross with oak leaves: Commander's cross of the order of Leopold with swords
Knights cross with oak leaves and swords: Cross First Class of the order of Leopold with swords
Knights cross with swords, oak leaves and diamonds: Order of the iron crown, third class
Knights cross with golden oak leaves, swords and diamonds: Maria-Theresia Militärorden

And now the pics:

Military Merit Cross, 3rd class (ribbon) with swords and war decoration

Just get rid of the swords and the war decoration and you got the standard (which replaces IC2).

Military Merit Medal (bronze)

Sorry for breaking the page.

Knight's Cross Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords

You just have to add the swords.

Knight's cross of the order of Leopold

Order of the Iron Crown

There was no distinction between classes in the insigna (Except for sashes, which we do not see in SH3)

Military Order of Maria Theresia

Well, looks like I have broken the page as well.

Kaleu. Jochen Mohr · 03-22-08, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul.Saenger

And here is how the award sequence would look like:
U-boot war badge
Couldn't find an image. Probably a revised version of the WWII award would do the trick, though

this site has it, and much more here

Wolf359 · 03-19-08, 03:02 PM

Hi Sea Tiger

I have a list of Austrio-Hungary medals

See list:
Orders, Decorations and Medals of the Austro-Hungarian Empire

* Order of the Golden Fleece
* Military Order of Maria Theresa
* Royal Hungarian Order of St Stefan
* Military Merit Cross
* Order of Leopold
* Order of the Iron Crown
* Order of Franz Joseph
* Order of Elisabeth
* Order of the Starry Cross
* Teutonic Order
* Decoration for Art and Science
* War Cross for Civil Merit, 1915
* Large Bravery Medal for Officers
* Elizabeth-Theresa Military Decoration
* Cross for Religious Service
* Cross for Religious Service on War Ribbon
* Military Merit Medal (Signum Laudis)
* Military Merit Medal (Signum Laudis) on War Ribbon
* Civil Merit Medal (Civil Signum Laudis)
* Bravery Medal
* Merit Cross
* Merit Cross on War Ribbon
* Elizabeth Merit Cross
* Elizabeth Merit Medal
* War Medal 1873
* Army Cross 1813-14 (Cannon Cross)
* Civil Honour Cross 1813-14
* Bohemian Nobles' Cross 1814
* Tirol Huldigung Medal 1834
* Tirol Medal 1848
* 50th Anniversary Medal for the Defence of the Tirol
* Commemorative Medal for the 1864 campaign against Denmark
* Tirol Medal 1866
* Cross of Merit
* Iron Cross of Merit
* Commemorative Medal for 50th Anniversary of Franz Joseph's Reign for the Army
* Commemorative Medal for 50th Anniversary of Franz Joseph's Reign for Military Widows
* Commemorative Medal for 50th Anniversary of Franz Joseph's Reign for Civil Servants
* Commemorative Cross for 60th Anniversary of Franz Joseph's Reign
* Commemorative Cross 1912-13
* Karl Troop Cross
* Long Service Cross for NCOs for 12 Years Service
* Wound Medal
* Honour Decoration of the Red Cross 1914-18
* Honour Badge of the Red Cross
* Red Cross Medal
* Merit Award of the Red Cross 1914
* Commemorative Medal of the 13th Royal Bavarian Infantry
I have some picture of it i upload to the this topic tomorrow

Ahoy

Paul.Saenger · 03-19-08, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolf359

Hi Sea Tiger

I have a list of Austrio-Hungary medals

Mate - first off, your sig is breaking the page. Second, did you look through the medals? Most of them are not egligible for the time period.

* Order of the Golden Fleece - only awarded to nobility and royalty
* Military Order of Maria Theresa
* Royal Hungarian Order of St Stefan - only awarded to military and people with the rank of general
* Military Merit Cross
* Order of Leopold
* Order of the Iron Crown
* Order of Franz Joseph
* Order of Elisabeth - only awarded to women
* Order of the Starry Cross - nope.
* Teutonic Order - a catholic order, no relation to war
* Decoration for Art and Science - WTF?
* War Cross for Civil Merit, 1915 - Civil merit. Meaning logistics, fundraising etc.
* Large Bravery Medal for Officers - Actually that is the large merit medal, awarded for generals.
* Elizabeth-Theresa Military Decoration - discontinued, iirc.
* Cross for Religious Service - wtf?
* Cross for Religious Service on War Ribbon - wtf?
* Military Merit Medal (Signum Laudis)
* Military Merit Medal (Signum Laudis) on War Ribbon
* Civil Merit Medal (Civil Signum Laudis)
* Bravery Medal
* Merit Cross
* Merit Cross on War Ribbon
* Elizabeth Merit Cross - see above
* Elizabeth Merit Medal - see above
* War Medal 1873 - look at the year.
* Army Cross 1813-14 (Cannon Cross) - outdated
* Civil Honour Cross 1813-14 - outdated
* Bohemian Nobles' Cross 1814 - outdated
* Tirol Huldigung Medal 1834 - outdated
* Tirol Medal 1848 - outdated
* 50th Anniversary Medal for the Defence of the Tirol - outdated
* Commemorative Medal for the 1864 campaign against Denmark - outdated
* Tirol Medal 1866 - outdated
* Cross of Merit
* Iron Cross of Merit
* Commemorative Medal for 50th Anniversary of Franz Joseph's Reign for the Army - outdated
* Commemorative Medal for 50th Anniversary of Franz Joseph's Reign for Military - outdated Widows
* Commemorative Medal for 50th Anniversary of Franz Joseph's Reign for Civil Servants - outdated
* Commemorative Cross for 60th Anniversary of Franz Joseph's Reign - outdated
* Commemorative Cross 1912-13 - outdated
* Karl Troop Cross - only awarded to the army
* Long Service Cross for NCOs for 12 Years Service - outdated
* Wound Medal
* Honour Decoration of the Red Cross 1914-18 - so you think a Uboot was working as a doctor?
* Honour Badge of the Red Cross - so you think a Uboot was working as a doctor?
* Red Cross Medal - so you think a Uboot was working as a doctor?
* Merit Award of the Red Cross 1914 - so you think a Uboot was working as a doctor?
* Commemorative Medal of the 13th Royal Bavarian Infantry - yeah, right. Uboat - infantry?

Mate, really, did you just copy paste stuff? Cause it really doesn't look like you spent a lot of time dwelling on what you just wrote.

Wolf359 · 03-19-08, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul.Saenger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf359

Hi Sea Tiger

I have a list of Austrio-Hungary medals

Mate - first off, your sig is breaking the page. Second, did you look through the medals? Most of them are not egligible for the time period.

Mate, really, did you just copy paste stuff? Cause it really doesn't look like you spent a lot of time dwelling on what you just wrote.

Yes, I am used copy-paste method because I have this data in one word document and list is too big for write it fast on post

.

Yes, I know that many of this medals is outdated for period of WW1 or have usage in other military branches but I want to give full list of medals of AH from begin (1867) to (1918) end.
Thanks you for correcting my list

.

Ahoy

USS Sea Tiger · 03-19-08, 11:17 PM

I will have to look into the hard codign and see if that can be pulled of!

Yes, one great reason I liked the WWI version is the very colorful awards possible,, something unique.

Wolf359 · 03-21-08, 06:24 AM

I have pictures of this Austro-Hungary medals:

1. Military Order of Maria Theresa
2. Military Merit Cross
3. The Order of Leopold
4.The Order of the Iron Crown
5. The Order of Franz Joseph
6. Military Bravery Medal on War Ribbon
7. Wound Medal

I will upload pictures of it very soon!

Wolf359 · 03-21-08, 06:27 AM

Few of my medals are already upload on this topic but I have pictures of more variants of it.

USS Sea Tiger · 03-21-08, 06:41 AM

Thank you, I can use them. Some I have but not in great detail.

So far I finished the files for the Prussian awards. I thought it would be simple HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA thought it would be one file only to change HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

How naive I was, modified 8 files so for,, just for one set of medals Hehehehheheh

03-19-08, 03:02 PM	#5
Wolf359 Navy Dude Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Croatia Posts: 171 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	list of AH medals Hi Sea Tiger I have a list of Austrio-Hungary medals See list: Orders, Decorations and Medals of the Austro-Hungarian Empire * Order of the Golden Fleece * Military Order of Maria Theresa * Royal Hungarian Order of St Stefan * Military Merit Cross * Order of Leopold * Order of the Iron Crown * Order of Franz Joseph * Order of Elisabeth * Order of the Starry Cross * Teutonic Order * Decoration for Art and Science * War Cross for Civil Merit, 1915 * Large Bravery Medal for Officers * Elizabeth-Theresa Military Decoration * Cross for Religious Service * Cross for Religious Service on War Ribbon * Military Merit Medal (Signum Laudis) * Military Merit Medal (Signum Laudis) on War Ribbon * Civil Merit Medal (Civil Signum Laudis) * Bravery Medal * Merit Cross * Merit Cross on War Ribbon * Elizabeth Merit Cross * Elizabeth Merit Medal * War Medal 1873 * Army Cross 1813-14 (Cannon Cross) * Civil Honour Cross 1813-14 * Bohemian Nobles' Cross 1814 * Tirol Huldigung Medal 1834 * Tirol Medal 1848 * 50th Anniversary Medal for the Defence of the Tirol * Commemorative Medal for the 1864 campaign against Denmark * Tirol Medal 1866 * Cross of Merit * Iron Cross of Merit * Commemorative Medal for 50th Anniversary of Franz Joseph's Reign for the Army * Commemorative Medal for 50th Anniversary of Franz Joseph's Reign for Military Widows * Commemorative Medal for 50th Anniversary of Franz Joseph's Reign for Civil Servants * Commemorative Cross for 60th Anniversary of Franz Joseph's Reign * Commemorative Cross 1912-13 * Karl Troop Cross * Long Service Cross for NCOs for 12 Years Service * Wound Medal * Honour Decoration of the Red Cross 1914-18 * Honour Badge of the Red Cross * Red Cross Medal * Merit Award of the Red Cross 1914 * Commemorative Medal of the 13th Royal Bavarian Infantry I have some picture of it i upload to the this topic tomorrow Ahoy __________________ Imperial Germany Mod WEBSITE: http://igm.elementfx.com/index.html DOWNLOAD: http://igm.elementfx.com/igm_download_links.htm GWX Expansion mod link: http://thegreywolves.com/

03-19-08, 11:17 PM	#8
USS Sea Tiger XO Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 425 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	up to ten you say,, HUMM I will have to look into the hard codign and see if that can be pulled of! Yes, one great reason I liked the WWI version is the very colorful awards possible,, something unique.

03-21-08, 06:24 AM	#9
Wolf359 Navy Dude Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Croatia Posts: 171 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I have pictures of this Austro-Hungary medals: 1. Military Order of Maria Theresa 2. Military Merit Cross 3. The Order of Leopold 4.The Order of the Iron Crown 5. The Order of Franz Joseph 6. Military Bravery Medal on War Ribbon 7. Wound Medal I will upload pictures of it very soon! __________________ Imperial Germany Mod WEBSITE: http://igm.elementfx.com/index.html DOWNLOAD: http://igm.elementfx.com/igm_download_links.htm GWX Expansion mod link: http://thegreywolves.com/ Last edited by Wolf359; 03-21-08 at 06:59 AM.

03-21-08, 06:27 AM	#10
Wolf359 Navy Dude Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Croatia Posts: 171 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Few of my medals are already upload on this topic but I have pictures of more variants of it. __________________ Imperial Germany Mod WEBSITE: http://igm.elementfx.com/index.html DOWNLOAD: http://igm.elementfx.com/igm_download_links.htm GWX Expansion mod link: http://thegreywolves.com/

03-21-08, 06:41 AM	#11
USS Sea Tiger XO Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 425 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	AH Medals Thank you, I can use them. Some I have but not in great detail. So far I finished the files for the Prussian awards. I thought it would be simple HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA thought it would be one file only to change HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA How naive I was, modified 8 files so for,, just for one set of medals Hehehehheheh

03-19-08, 02:00 PM	#1
Paul.Saenger Gunner Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 97 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	And here is how the award sequence would look like: IC 2nd class: IC 1st class: U-boot war badge Couldn't find an image. Probably a revised version of the WWII award would do the trick, though Hanseatic cross: I used the one from Bremen, since IMO it looks the best of those. Knights cross of the House of Hohenzollern with swords: Pour le mérite Military merit order of Bavaria, 4th class with swords: Order of the crown with star (I have no image with the swords present): Knights cross of the Order of the red eagle with swords and crown:

03-19-08, 03:11 PM	#2
Paul.Saenger Gunner Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 97 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Now, the same for Austria. Austrian order of precedence: Maria - Theresia Militärorden Order of the Iron Crown, 1st class Order of the Iron Crown, 2nd class Order of the Iron Crown, 3rd class Grand Cross of the order of Leopold with diamonds and swords Grand Cross of the order of Leopold with swords Cross First Class of the order of Leopold with swords Commander's cross of the order of Leopold with swords Knight's cross of the order of Leopold with swords Grand Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords and war decoration Grand Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords Grand Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with war decoration Commander's Star of the order of Franz Joseph with swords and war decoration Commander's Star of the order of Franz Joseph with swords Commander's Star of the order of Franz Joseph with war decoration Commander's Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords and war decoration Commander's Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords Commander's Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with war decoration Officer's Cross Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords and war decoration Officer's Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords Officer's Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with war decoration Knight's Cross Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords and war decoration Knight's Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords Knight's Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with war decoration Military Merit Cross, 1st class (pinback cross) with swords and war decoration Military Merit Cross, 1st class (pinback cross) with swords Military Merit Cross, 1st class (pinback cross) Large Military Merit Medal - usually only awarded to generals. Will disregard that one. Military Merit Cross, 2nd class (neck badge) with swords and war decoration Military Merit Cross, 2nd class (neck badge) with swords Military Merit Cross, 2nd class (neck badge) Military Merit Cross, 3rd class (ribbon) with swords and war decoration Military Merit Cross, 3rd class (ribbon) with swords Military Merit Cross, 3rd class (ribbon) Military Merit Medal (silver) with swords Military Merit Medal (silver) Military Merit Medal (bronze) with swords Military Merit Medal (bronze) Wound Medal u-boat war pin? Did it ever exist? I don't know. Here is my suggestion for the ten medals we can achieve: IC2 - Military Merit Cross, 3rd class (ribbon) IC1 - Military Merit Cross, 3rd class (ribbon) with swords and war decoration U-Boot war badge - U-boot war pin (if it ever existed) otherwise replace it with military merit medal/wound badge U-boot front clasp: Military Merit Medal (bronze) German Cross: Knight's Cross Cross of the order of Franz Joseph with swords Knight's Cross: Knight's cross of the order of Leopold with swords Knight's Cross with oak leaves: Commander's cross of the order of Leopold with swords Knights cross with oak leaves and swords: Cross First Class of the order of Leopold with swords Knights cross with swords, oak leaves and diamonds: Order of the iron crown, third class Knights cross with golden oak leaves, swords and diamonds: *Maria-Theresia Militärorden* I am however a bit unhappy with the Austrian -Hungarian situation. They do not really have a clear order of precedence, and very few actual orders. And the Order of franz joseph is actually more of an order for distinguished service than for bravery. This is however the best I can do. Pics to follow in next post.