Tibet, China and Olympics

[peterloo]

I used to stay away from subsim, not because of you guys, but due to the lack of my time in playing subsims (I can't stand myself playing 2 hours of games only to finish a war patrol) as my public examination is approaching

If you still remember me, I am probably quite unique here ~ owning the identity of Chinese in such a Westeners oriented forum (in a Westeners oriented game), and if you do remember me, I made quite a strong argument here defending the whole Chinese that, the poisonous toy stuff is originated from your entrepreneurs, those who does nothing except gaining by repeated exploitation of cheap labour. I can assure you that, why they own their own yacht, their own island, and so on, is because they mistreated the developing countries.

I come back today, is because I know that someone has opened such a topic here. Now, may I get the chance to make the whole stuff clear

Undoubtedly, the problem originates from different races living in China. Having more than 50 races mixing together in this piece of land, it usually catalyzes problems.

Now, the problem emerges, first by a demostration, then to a crisis. As all of you know, Han people are beaten to death and have their shops looted and set alight. It is than clear that, no matter what the reaction of PRC government is, those responsible for this, is the monks who "avocates" and starts the flaming.

Now, Tibet is turned to chaos, by the act of the mob (Zhang people). If you were the government official, you would definite try to stop them. Remember IRA, please. The first reaction is that the police come. But the people there arn't afraid of the police and they even gang up on police and set fires on police cars. So, more police comes and armored cars started driving into the city. IMAGINE if the armored cars didn't come, what would have happened? Probably the mob has seized the city and more innocent lives are perished.

One might wonder if Chinese government employed brute force and unhuman ways to treat the protestors. But wait, the demostraters has already turned into a group of terrorists, killing innocent people. I'm afraid I've to recall the 911 incident. The al-Queda group attacked and killed the innocents. The USA, the so called promoter of peace and human rights, attacked Iraq, and the operation, not only unable to uproot the terrorist groups, indicated by the terrorist activities in the previous years, but also killed the innocent civilians. Furthermore, brute force and maltreatment of prisoner of war also exists. Remember Black water company which kills civilians? Remember the brutal and barbaric waterboarding interrogating means? Remember those indecent, naked photoes of POW taken in those POW camps? That USA does not offer basic human rights is than proved crystal clear.

Some Korean farmers who are opposing globalization protests when WTO has their meeting. Based on my knowledge, the Korean farmers are armed and create havok in the city. They are retaliated by the use of tear gas and pepper spray, and sometimes, more harsh stuff.

I'm not saying that every American is that barbaric, but unfortunately, some of them are not solving problems in a proper way. While they are blaming others, they never review their mistakes made. This pathepatic character of some Americans, unfortunately, damages the dignity of American and the human race.

In Chinese, USA means beautiful country. However, I don't find some of the people beautiful.

This is what USA has done in retaliation to 911 attack. Now, isn't the act of Chinese government acceptable? At least, they don't kill the innocents in the attempt to breakdown the Zhang mobs?

Some might suggest boycotting the Olympic games. Now, did we boycott the Sydney Olympic games despite their participation in the unjustice Iraq war? It is totally unfair for any government to bar their atheletes from joining Olympic simply based on political issues. I'm sure that you guys know the 1936 Berlin Olympic was exploited by Hitler in his attempt to show Aryan superiority. The 1980 and 1984 Olympic games, held in USSR and USA respectively, was boycotted, due to the Cold War. DO YOU REALLY WANNA SEE A SECOND COLD WAR??? Mutual understanding is always vital amid the occasionally crisis

Finally, some of you suggested USA to start their primary and secondary production to henge against the Chinese expansion. I can almost guarantee you that this won't work. Would you accept an job offer with monthly salary $200 so that your product can compete with ours? LOL Undoubtedly you wouldn't. In addition, our government owns quite a lot of USA bonds. If we sell all of them, I'm sure the USA dollar would further depreciates and USA forced into a recession. I don't think HK will be affected. By the time this happens, we might have pegged with RMB. But I'm sure USD will never be pegged with RMB, by political reasons. This is NOT a threat, but a friendly reminder ~ this is how the world leaders play the game, seriously. If one do gain by making friend with another, these two guys become close friends, vice versa. I can also guarantee that, if the gain from collaborating with Chinese is great enough, USA will abondon Taiwan, and let us unite.

Don't take what I say as threats. They are just facts. Today my essay is focused on USA, but this also applies to almost every Westen country. REMEMBER, flaming and blaming Chinese has got no human helps nothing. De facto, you are already affected by the mass media ~ remember the Mantel apologising September last year? What they say is completely unjust to Chinese. Again, if you have any problems, feel free to post here. I love arguing with others and debating. I'm sure we'll learn more, with debating.

I HATE PEOPLE USING FOUL WORDS DESCRIBING CHINESE JUST BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEM OF MINORITY. BEING RACIST HERE WILL LEAD TO YOUR BANNING, GUARANTEED.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by peterloo

Undoubtedly, the problem originates from different races living in China. Having more than 50 races mixing together in this piece of land, it usually catalyzes problems.

No, the problem originates from a country brutally occupying another msall, defenseless place, killing one sixth of it's population in the past decades, denying the genocide but claiming the hiostorical right to do so.

Now, the problem emerges, first by a demostration, then to a crisis. As all of you know, Han people are beaten to death and have their shops looted and set alight. It is than clear that, no matter what the reaction of PRC government is, those responsible for this, is the monks who "avocates" and starts the flaming.

Yes, it is the monks, and they are thirsty for blood and kill innocent Hanc chinese by first sight that live on their land and try to breed out the native locals. you are pretty much in line with the party propaganda here. What you do not say is that here in the West, at least in Germany, we see as many reprots, ntiially even more, that show peaceful protesters and slow moving demosntrations against the chinese occupation, wehre no violence as to be seen, until Chinese police and troops appeard and later opened fire.

Now, Tibet is turned to chaos, by the act of the mob (Zhang people). If you were the government official, you would definite try to stop them. Remember IRA, please.

We would try that if we were the legal government of that place - or mass-murdering tyrants who subjugated the place and people by force and genocide. Fact is, we are neither the one nor the other, but the Chiense givernment is the latter.

The first reaction is that the police come. But the people there arn't afraid of the police and they even gang up on police and set fires on police cars. So, more police comes and armored cars started driving into the city. IMAGINE if the armored cars didn't come, what would have happened? Probably the mob has seized the city and more innocent lives are perished.

It is cynic that you mention innocent lifes in defense of the Chinese government

One might wonder if Chinese government employed brute force and unhuman ways to treat the protestors. But wait, the demostraters has already turned into a group of terrorists, killing innocent people. I'm afraid I've to recall the 911 incident. The al-Queda group attacked and killed the innocents. The USA, the (...)

Okay, I cut it short here, becasue it becomes riodiculous. Thanks for your propaganda stunt in defense of the chinese dictatorship, I'll recommend you for a promotion inside the party'S hierarchy.

I HATE PEOPLE USING FOUL WORDS DESCRIBING CHINESE JUST BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEM OF MINORITY. BEING RACIST HERE WILL LEAD TO YOUR BANNING, GUARANTEED.

And I hate people - no matter if Chinese or Westerners - defending genocide, landtaking by the act of war, state terrorism, subjugating native cultures, and minimizing one million dead and tortured and ongoing suffering of the native population as "problem of minority", and calling resistance to this ongoing injustice "terrorism" - and then even having the nerve to tell everybody not accepting this disgrace in word and deed to be "racists". I cannot imagine that anybody really missed you here.

Concerning how to handle the forum, leave it to Neal. It's fair to say he is expert in that and does not need your advise.

And if you want to call me a racist again - no, I do not have a problem with Chinese people in general, by far not. But I have a problem with guys like you calling blood a fresh and clean water from a mountain spring, so to speak. If I should recommend you one thing, than this: stop limitjng yourself to the official party'S view of things, and use the globally available media to educate your views to a wider, a much wider perception. This will give you better information - that'S why the chinese government is hunting down witnesses by chance and especially foreign reporters in Tibet currently. It is for making sure people agree all along with their propaganda - like you.

[peterloo]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Allright so we're all blinded by media lies, actually the good and kind chinese police and military are simply defending themselves against blood thirsty tibetans terrorist ?
And since the war in Iraq killed thousands of iraqis innocent, the Chinese are actually kind and fair guys with only hundreds of tibetans killed.
Since when stupidity from A justifies stupidity from B ? You gotta be kidding.

Good to hear that your point of view isn't affected by the mass media

For anyone who wanna reply, please kindly take some time in reading my post (sorry, a bit long)

If you disagree with me, please kindly tell me why so that we can have a discussion. A discussion only emerges when a consenus is yet to be reached