Tibet, China and Olympics

[Skybird]

Greatest Olympics I ever experienced was 1984 in L.A. I consumed every bit of every day of it, it were summer holidays over here. Great atmosphere, and much "TV fever", I was completely absorbed. Never before and never after it, Olympics ever became so present on my mind again. In fact, i don'T care much at all.

Before i manage - once again - to hijack one of my own threads: back to the topic!

[Gorduz]

Actually the Norwegian athletes have been training in artificially generated smog and poor air in order to prepare themselves. I think that says alot.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Gorduz

Actually the Norwegian athletes have been training in artificially generated smog and poor air in order to prepare themselves. I think that says alot.

At first I thought, this is a funny joke, but now I think you're serious.


On a side note, what are the Chinese going to do if there are protests during the olympics? Are they going to behave themselves while all eyes are on them or....
what they usually do to people when someone disagrees with them?

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Greatest Olympics I ever experienced was 1984 in L.A. I consumed every bit of every day of it, it were summer holidays over here. Great atmosphere, and much "TV fever", I was completely absorbed. Never before and never after it, Olympics ever became so present on my mind again. In fact, i don'T care much at all.

Before i manage - once again - to hijack one of my own threads: back to the topic!

On a side note, does anybody care about the summer olympics anyway? I love the winter olympics, but I could care less about the summer games.

[Yahoshua]

More importantly, what will the commies do if a foreign competitor brings up political protests DURING live competition?

Will they swallow the criticism until after the games and then deport him/her?

China should never have gotten the olympic's in the first place but they offered the most amount of money to the IOC so the IOC spouted the "Olympics are above politics and for all mankind" line and chose to ignore the abuses in China - I think its time for countries to do the same thing to China as happened to Russia after the invasion of afganahstan in the 80's and boycott the games.
Of course , all the Corparations that have millions invested in "Olympics INC" would scream but thats not exactly a bad thing

[XabbaRus]

China and the worlds reaction to it has got to be one of the most hypocritical relationships on the planet.

Case in point, watch how news organisations and politicians villify and criticise Russia at almost every turn but you hear no such criticisms of China. Oh some mild condemnation how they are concerned at China#s treatment of disidents and hope they change their ways but nothing like what Russia gets.

So we should boycott the Olympics and tell China to f**k off. But hey no world leader has the guts.

[Steel_Tomb]

I've been reading the news stories since last night, and really think this is going to end with another massacre. China should never have been given the olympics in the first place, with the countries record on human rights and the manner in which it rules simply goes against everything the olympics are supposed to stand for. I too vote for boycotting the olympics. I doubt it, but I pray that this years olympics are an unmittigated disaster for China. The communist government needs to know there is a line, and that they crossed it a long time ago! The world is pathetic anyway, no one could give a damn about those poor sods being locked up for no reason, if it doesnt include money and trade deals they aren't interested.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

China and the worlds reaction to it has got to be one of the most hypocritical relationships on the planet.

Case in point, watch how news organisations and politicians villify and criticise Russia at almost every turn but you hear no such criticisms of China. Oh some mild condemnation how they are concerned at China#s treatment of disidents and hope they change their ways but nothing like what Russia gets.

So we should boycott the Olympics and tell China to f**k off. But hey no world leader has the guts.

What we should do and what we could do may prove to be two separate things. China simply has become too powerful and influential to simply wave it out. Sad, unfair, bitter - but true. We shouldn'T have started to trade with them many decades ago. This is what brought them into possession of the means (machineries in the main) to become a self-supplying and now partially market-dominating power. That they would not just use our machines, but would study them copy them, and learn how to built industrial machines ba themselves - this conclusion was too much demanded from our bright politicians. The level to which the West already depend on it you can see in this simple link (quoting Joseph Stiglitz in a german essay I had set up some time ago):

From the German:
"One of the bizarre symptoms of globalisaion is that the Chinese, who opposed the Iraq war in the UN, in the end financed this war to a substantial ammount, by using their enormous dollar reserves from the trade surplus with America to buy US treasury bonds. So, a consumer democracy without any savings is borrowing from a market-leninistic state in order to fight terror."

They also use their massive reserves to form close ties with - taken for themselves: unimportant - third world countries whom they helpt pout and lead into dependenca at the same time, "buying" their votes in international councils and commitees that way. I now live by the impression that this use of "soft power" works much more in favour of their future benefit than the use of "hard power" of western nations does for the West's future perspectives. Additonally, we waste these ressources in useless enterprises. they not only save their ressources, but even increase them.

But still I think they should be amongst themselves with their propaganda olympics.

[Steel_Tomb]

I think its possible to get the western powers away from china. we just need to build up our own manufacturing base over the next decade or two, then just slap china in the face and stop all trade with them. their economy depends on exports so much it would just crash. chinese goods are crap anyway, the place is so corrupt. I mean all the cases of lead in kids toys must have done some damage.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

Case in point, watch how news organisations and politicians villify and criticise Russia at almost every turn but you hear no such criticisms of China.

Because we have massive trade with China and very limited trade with Russia.

As scissors cut paper, profit always trumps human rights

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

China and the worlds reaction to it has got to be one of the most hypocritical relationships on the planet.

Case in point, watch how news organisations and politicians villify and criticise Russia at almost every turn but you hear no such criticisms of China. Oh some mild condemnation how they are concerned at China#s treatment of disidents and hope they change their ways but nothing like what Russia gets.

So we should boycott the Olympics and tell China to f**k off. But hey no world leader has the guts.

Kind of difficult when China is the one of the most important trading partners of the US of A and most of the american debt is in chinese hands.
The US of A should lead the world by example, but it is easier to start a war in the middle east for bogus reasons that to say f**k off to China.
Its all about money and real politic.

Europe should just as well have boycotted the games.

[Steel_Tomb]

Its just the case that they can't take them on militarily, not very easy to do it diplomaticly. The UN would have to pass sanctions on China or something, but on what??? Oil imports?

[peterloo]

I used to stay away from subsim, not because of you guys, but due to the lack of my time in playing subsims (I can't stand myself playing 2 hours of games only to finish a war patrol) as my public examination is approaching

If you still remember me, I am probably quite unique here ~ owning the identity of Chinese in such a Westeners oriented forum (in a Westeners oriented game), and if you do remember me, I made quite a strong argument here defending the whole Chinese that, the poisonous toy stuff is originated from your entrepreneurs, those who does nothing except gaining by repeated exploitation of cheap labour. I can assure you that, why they own their own yacht, their own island, and so on, is because they mistreated the developing countries.

I come back today, is because I know that someone has opened such a topic here. Now, may I get the chance to make the whole stuff clear

Undoubtedly, the problem originates from different races living in China. Having more than 50 races mixing together in this piece of land, it usually catalyzes problems.

Now, the problem emerges, first by a demostration, then to a crisis. As all of you know, Han people are beaten to death and have their shops looted and set alight. It is than clear that, no matter what the reaction of PRC government is, those responsible for this, is the monks who "avocates" and starts the flaming.

Now, Tibet is turned to chaos, by the act of the mob (Zhang people). If you were the government official, you would definite try to stop them. Remember IRA, please. The first reaction is that the police come. But the people there arn't afraid of the police and they even gang up on police and set fires on police cars. So, more police comes and armored cars started driving into the city. IMAGINE if the armored cars didn't come, what would have happened? Probably the mob has seized the city and more innocent lives are perished.

One might wonder if Chinese government employed brute force and unhuman ways to treat the protestors. But wait, the demostraters has already turned into a group of terrorists, killing innocent people. I'm afraid I've to recall the 911 incident. The al-Queda group attacked and killed the innocents. The USA, the so called promoter of peace and human rights, attacked Iraq, and the operation, not only unable to uproot the terrorist groups, indicated by the terrorist activities in the previous years, but also killed the innocent civilians. Furthermore, brute force and maltreatment of prisoner of war also exists. Remember Black water company which kills civilians? Remember the brutal and barbaric waterboarding interrogating means? Remember those indecent, naked photoes of POW taken in those POW camps? That USA does not offer basic human rights is than proved crystal clear.

Some Korean farmers who are opposing globalization protests when WTO has their meeting. Based on my knowledge, the Korean farmers are armed and create havok in the city. They are retaliated by the use of tear gas and pepper spray, and sometimes, more harsh stuff.

I'm not saying that every American is that barbaric, but unfortunately, some of them are not solving problems in a proper way. While they are blaming others, they never review their mistakes made. This pathepatic character of some Americans, unfortunately, damages the dignity of American and the human race.

In Chinese, USA means beautiful country. However, I don't find some of the people beautiful.

This is what USA has done in retaliation to 911 attack. Now, isn't the act of Chinese government acceptable? At least, they don't kill the innocents in the attempt to breakdown the Zhang mobs?

Some might suggest boycotting the Olympic games. Now, did we boycott the Sydney Olympic games despite their participation in the unjustice Iraq war? It is totally unfair for any government to bar their atheletes from joining Olympic simply based on political issues. I'm sure that you guys know the 1936 Berlin Olympic was exploited by Hitler in his attempt to show Aryan superiority. The 1980 and 1984 Olympic games, held in USSR and USA respectively, was boycotted, due to the Cold War. DO YOU REALLY WANNA SEE A SECOND COLD WAR??? Mutual understanding is always vital amid the occasionally crisis

Finally, some of you suggested USA to start their primary and secondary production to henge against the Chinese expansion. I can almost guarantee you that this won't work. Would you accept an job offer with monthly salary $200 so that your product can compete with ours? LOL Undoubtedly you wouldn't. In addition, our government owns quite a lot of USA bonds. If we sell all of them, I'm sure the USA dollar would further depreciates and USA forced into a recession. I don't think HK will be affected. By the time this happens, we might have pegged with RMB. But I'm sure USD will never be pegged with RMB, by political reasons. This is NOT a threat, but a friendly reminder ~ this is how the world leaders play the game, seriously. If one do gain by making friend with another, these two guys become close friends, vice versa. I can also guarantee that, if the gain from collaborating with Chinese is great enough, USA will abondon Taiwan, and let us unite.

Don't take what I say as threats. They are just facts. Today my essay is focused on USA, but this also applies to almost every Westen country. REMEMBER, flaming and blaming Chinese has got no human helps nothing. De facto, you are already affected by the mass media ~ remember the Mantel apologising September last year? What they say is completely unjust to Chinese. Again, if you have any problems, feel free to post here. I love arguing with others and debating. I'm sure we'll learn more, with debating.

I HATE PEOPLE USING FOUL WORDS DESCRIBING CHINESE JUST BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEM OF MINORITY. BEING RACIST HERE WILL LEAD TO YOUR BANNING, GUARANTEED.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

China and the worlds reaction to it has got to be one of the most hypocritical relationships on the planet.

Case in point, watch how news organisations and politicians villify and criticise Russia at almost every turn but you hear no such criticisms of China. Oh some mild condemnation how they are concerned at China#s treatment of disidents and hope they change their ways but nothing like what Russia gets.

So we should boycott the Olympics and tell China to f**k off. But hey no world leader has the guts.

I'm going to buy you a drink for that comment.