Upcoming WW2 Sub Movie "USS Seaviper"

Carl Lyons · 03-14-08, 02:50 PM

Gentlemen,

Is anyone aware of anyone who could build a 20' working model of the USS Drum. We need it for under water and over head shots. We've got the ability to do great CGI. But we'd rather use a model. I still think the original Star Wars models beat any CGI to date.

Let me know.

CL
USS Seaviper Movie

M. Sarsfield · 03-14-08, 02:54 PM

There are some pretty good model builders that post in the Movies and Models forum on this site. Give them a try. What time frame would you be looking to get the model in?

Out of curiosity, will the model be filmed under water or will you use the oil smoke trick like they did for Hunt for Red October?

Carl Lyons · 03-14-08, 03:20 PM

We would be shooting underwater in 4K. We are having a housing built for the RED One Camera now. We think 20' is about the smallest vessel that will allow realistic displacement of water. If we are able to do this. Nobody else on the planet would have believable ww2 sub footage in 4k that I am aware of. That's pretty amazing. Whatever we do, it's got to be believable.

CL
Seaviper

Sailor Steve · 03-14-08, 04:34 PM

I have a lot of years building smaller models, including one of the Boeing 299 (the original prototype B-17) that has lived at the Hill AFB Air & Space museum since 1990. I would love to have a chance to be part of a project of this scale. Unfortunately, I:

1) Have no way of getting to Alabama from Utah, and

2) No way of supporting myself while I was there

Maybe next time.

Doolittle81 · 03-15-08, 07:15 PM

@ Carl Lyons!!

Welcome to the Sub Forums...a Free source for advisors/consultants, all full of enthusiasm.

Did you get my PM (Private Message) with some recommendations on how to get authentic WWII era dialog, terminology, Submarine procedures, etc? That will be Key to providing authenticity in your movie. Often it is the use of a term, in aviation flicks, such as "Lock On" before that term had ever been 'used/created' in real life, which immediately destroys a Korean or WWII era movie's credibility.

The resource I recommended in my PM would be extremely useful to you and your Screenwriter, in that regard. Even a recent retiree from the USN, born in, say, the early 1960's is unlikely to be expert on the language/terminology/slang/procedural steps employed in submarine tactics/life in the 1930's/1940's.

Looking forward to a great movie from you and your Crew.

Carl Lyons · 03-16-08, 12:49 PM

I did receive it. Thank u. I have passed it on to our writer. We are also working with Tom Bowser on the USS Drum who is a retired Sub Vet and is refurbing the Drum. At our request Tom is literally standing over our shoulder to make sure this is as believable as possible. We'll definitely give this material a look we need all the info we can get our hands on.

Kind Regards,
CL
Seaviper Film & Drum Doc

Carl Lyons · 03-22-08, 01:06 AM

Gentlemen,

We had a great production meeting on the 20th. Will be headed for Mobile to begin shooting for the feature on the 24th of April. We'll keep you posted.

CL
Seaviper Movie and Drum Doc

kikn79 · 03-24-08, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Lyons

Gentlemen,

Is anyone aware of anyone who could build a 20' working model of the USS Drum. We need it for under water and over head shots. We've got the ability to do great CGI. But we'd rather use a model. I still think the original Star Wars models beat any CGI to date.

Let me know.

CL
USS Seaviper Movie

There was an EBAY auction of the sub built for the SH4 commercial/episodic film "Subsessed" You might try and track down the person that won the auction...

Chuck

Machineit · 03-24-08, 09:51 AM

Thanks for the tip, but that sub was made out of Styrofoam. Getting it under water would be a bitch!

We are most likely going with CGI. Can probably be more realistic looking than even shooting underwater with a model.

Thanks Again!

Doolittle81 · 03-24-08, 01:52 PM

If you were producing a movie only for DVD release, you could probably have simply used SH4 to produce all your external scenes...submerged or surfaced (where you don't need closeups of humans). No need for expensive CGI. I say this based upon having watched History Channel's "Dogfight" series in which the CGI is not much better, if at all, than the 2001 vintage IL2/Forgotten Battles Flight Simulation.

Well, maybe PC graphics aren't quite there yet, but in another year or two they might be giving mainstream Hollywood CGI studios a run for the money.

Machineit · 03-24-08, 04:02 PM

What we have access to will be great. No straight to DVD stuff.

Expensive, but great!

Thanks

03-14-08, 02:50 PM	#1
Carl Lyons Watch Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 18 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	USS Drum Model Gentlemen, Is anyone aware of anyone who could build a 20' working model of the USS Drum. We need it for under water and over head shots. We've got the ability to do great CGI. But we'd rather use a model. I still think the original Star Wars models beat any CGI to date. Let me know. CL USS Seaviper Movie

03-14-08, 02:54 PM	#2
M. Sarsfield Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,016 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	There are some pretty good model builders that post in the Movies and Models forum on this site. Give them a try. What time frame would you be looking to get the model in? Out of curiosity, will the model be filmed under water or will you use the oil smoke trick like they did for Hunt for Red October? __________________ MJS USS Batfish Volunteer/Reenactor www.ss310.com www.ussbatfish.com Communism killed over 100M people and all that I got was this lousy signature.* *http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

03-14-08, 03:20 PM	#3
Carl Lyons Watch Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 18 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Drum Model We would be shooting underwater in 4K. We are having a housing built for the RED One Camera now. We think 20' is about the smallest vessel that will allow realistic displacement of water. If we are able to do this. Nobody else on the planet would have believable ww2 sub footage in 4k that I am aware of. That's pretty amazing. Whatever we do, it's got to be believable. CL Seaviper

03-14-08, 04:34 PM	#4
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I have a lot of years building smaller models, including one of the Boeing 299 (the original prototype B-17) that has lived at the Hill AFB Air & Space museum since 1990. I would love to have a chance to be part of a project of this scale. Unfortunately, I: 1) Have no way of getting to Alabama from Utah, and 2) No way of supporting myself while I was there Maybe next time. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

03-15-08, 07:15 PM	#5
Doolittle81 Commodore Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 624 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	@ Carl Lyons!! Welcome to the Sub Forums...a Free source for advisors/consultants, all full of enthusiasm. Did you get my PM (Private Message) with some recommendations on how to get authentic WWII era dialog, terminology, Submarine procedures, etc? That will be Key to providing authenticity in your movie. Often it is the use of a term, in aviation flicks, such as "Lock On" before that term had ever been 'used/created' in real life, which immediately destroys a Korean or WWII era movie's credibility. The resource I recommended in my PM would be extremely useful to you and your Screenwriter, in that regard. Even a recent retiree from the USN, born in, say, the early 1960's is unlikely to be expert on the language/terminology/slang/procedural steps employed in submarine tactics/life in the 1930's/1940's. Looking forward to a great movie from you and your Crew. __________________ Flight Sim Movies .............................................. .........................View "Faith, Hope, and Charity" movie Last edited by Doolittle81; 03-16-08 at 03:18 PM.

03-16-08, 12:49 PM	#6
Carl Lyons Watch Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 18 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	PM Doolittle/ Seaviper I did receive it. Thank u. I have passed it on to our writer. We are also working with Tom Bowser on the USS Drum who is a retired Sub Vet and is refurbing the Drum. At our request Tom is literally standing over our shoulder to make sure this is as believable as possible. We'll definitely give this material a look we need all the info we can get our hands on. Kind Regards, CL Seaviper Film & Drum Doc

03-22-08, 01:06 AM	#7
Carl Lyons Watch Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 18 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Seaviper Gentlemen, We had a great production meeting on the 20th. Will be headed for Mobile to begin shooting for the feature on the 24th of April. We'll keep you posted. CL Seaviper Movie and Drum Doc

03-24-08, 09:51 AM	#9
Machineit Nub Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the tip, but that sub was made out of Styrofoam. Getting it under water would be a bitch! We are most likely going with CGI. Can probably be more realistic looking than even shooting underwater with a model. Thanks Again!

03-24-08, 01:52 PM	#10
Doolittle81 Commodore Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 624 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	If you were producing a movie only for DVD release, you could probably have simply used SH4 to produce all your external scenes...submerged or surfaced (where you don't need closeups of humans). No need for expensive CGI. I say this based upon having watched History Channel's "Dogfight" series in which the CGI is not much better, if at all, than the 2001 vintage IL2/Forgotten Battles Flight Simulation. Well, maybe PC graphics aren't quite there yet, but in another year or two they might be giving mainstream Hollywood CGI studios a run for the money. __________________ Flight Sim Movies .............................................. .........................View "Faith, Hope, and Charity" movie

03-24-08, 04:02 PM	#11
Machineit Nub Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	What we have access to will be great. No straight to DVD stuff. Expensive, but great! Thanks