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Old 03-14-08, 11:13 AM   #1
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Default US Troops on Canadian soil? Or vice versa?

If I saw foriegn troops activily patrolling and armed outside my house, I would personally open fire. Something is wrong here.... http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/n...a-f82134b92e7e

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Old 03-14-08, 11:21 AM   #2
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What would be the problem? If there is an agreement there is an agreement. All this does is pave the way if there is a need for us as well as them. I don't think you will see them cross just to go to a Kentucky Fried Chicken or McDonald's and they aren't Russians or Venezuelan. I really don't see an issue here. To me it's just common sense and a good idea.
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Old 03-14-08, 11:23 AM   #3
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In case of a civil emergency.

Natural disaster, maybe?

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Old 03-14-08, 11:27 AM   #4
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What I don't understand is that if this agreement is all friendly and for the mutual benefit of all citizens, why was it not announced?

Did this even come up for debate in any of the congresses/parliaments?
And most importantly, who will profit monetarily from this agreement?
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Old 03-14-08, 11:55 AM   #5
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I see a bad idea here. I see erosion of people civil rights in each country. Because bigger military powers have bigger muscle to flex in smaller foreign lands and annex certain laws that would normally protect locals.

I know governments abuse powers and when they pass laws in secret well no citizen will benefit from it. Only select elitist interest groups will gain from lucrative close door dealings. Anyhow thats my 10cents to this post.
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Old 03-14-08, 01:38 PM   #6
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I think the significance of this could well be overstated.

Quite a few countries have US and UK forces stationed in them. Take Germany as an example. Largely the US has never needed measures like this and I'm sure Canadian or US troops would only ever cross the border in extremis. Most likely as someone posted in the case of a natural disaster or the like.
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Old 03-14-08, 02:03 PM   #7
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If I saw foriegn troops activily patrolling and armed outside my house, I would personally open fire. Something is wrong here.... http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/n...a-f82134b92e7e

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Old 03-14-08, 02:12 PM   #8
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I'd be proud that the Canadians thought enough of us to help defend our nation and i'd be quite willing to help Canada defend their country from attack.

That's what good neighbors do.
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I'd be proud that the Canadians thought enough of us to help defend our nation and i'd be quite willing to help Canada defend their country from attack.

That's what good neighbors do.
Wow, it's been a good day for good posts today. This' just how it should be.
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Old 03-14-08, 02:25 PM   #10
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I'd be proud that the Canadians thought enough of us to help defend our nation and i'd be quite willing to help Canada defend their country from attack.

That's what good neighbors do.
It isn't helping us defend our nation that is at stake. It is for Civil Unrest.

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which allows the military from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation in a civil emergency.
THis is the government securing its back if the people don't go along with what they say. That is the problem.

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I should imagine if either of the countries were in need of urgent military assistance, whether because of a disater or invasion, there would be almost automatic assistance given.
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I should imagine if either of the countries were in need of urgent military assistance, whether because of a disater or invasion, there would be almost automatic assistance given.
Thats the point - it is not about disaster or invasion relief. Its like our governments are expecting civil unrest from its citizens.
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I should imagine if either of the countries were in need of urgent military assistance, whether because of a disater or invasion, there would be almost automatic assistance given.
Thats the point - it is not about disaster or invasion relief. Its like our governments are expecting civil unrest from its citizens.
Would that be a big surprise? And no pun intended, just asking your opinion.
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This will finally pave the way for our planned invasion of Canada !!! MUAHAHAHAAA !

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Would that be a big surprise? And no pun intended, just asking your opinion.
This Canada Mexico US idea is probably not going to go over real well once people realize whats happening, so no, it is not a big surprise. It means the death of the US of A as we know it.

Here is the big hurdle that gives people the right to stop it forcefully to:

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Article I, Section 10, Clause 3: “No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.”
Congress is not involved on this one either.

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