Polls show McCain winning the general election...

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Back to the Senate where maybe he can start showing what he is really made of - then people might get an idea of what to
expect if he actually won in 2012.

Just from memory write down everything Obama stands for and then write down everything McCain stands for ... no google.

My memory banks can't remember Mr Obama being for anything besides a medical plan
that will help our country have better health for the people that would vote for him.

Plus the little comment in one primary where he wants to get all of the rouge nations together and have a little talk
with their leaders without any pre-conditions.

He is anti-USA in Iraq and that's about all I get from six months of watching him.

Mr McCain on the other hand has a clear record of what he is for and what he is against ...

[SUBMAN1]

[quote=geetrue]

My memory banks can't remember Mr Obama being for anything besides a medical plan
that will help our country have better health for the people that would vote for him.

Yeah - they keep throwing the Canadian health care system in our faces as examples. I have family up there. Takes them 6 months to see a primary care doctor. Seems your cold will be over in that amount of time. For an Uncles knee surgery, he is praying he gets in there within a couple years to have it done, but it will probably take him 3 years to get that surgery. His only option is to come across the border and have it done in the US of A.

Nice. This countries health care system is not screwed up. The people who are uninsured are ones who have chosen to be uninsured. They make enough money to afford it but choose not to. Everyone else is on welfare and gets health care from the state already.

Plus the little comment in one primary where he wants to get all of the rouge nations together and have a little talk
with their leaders without any pre-conditions.

Crazy. THis is a sign of weakness to their misbehaving. Clearly he needs more foriegn policy training. The best way to difuse a terrorist is to ignore him and not give him, his platform to speak his rhetoric. He then goes home in shame since no one is listening.

He is anti-USA in Iraq and that's about all I get from six months of watching him.

I'm anti USA in Iraq too, but refuse to leave them to their own devices till they can take care of themselves.

Mr McCain on the other hand has a clear record of what he is for and what he is against ...

You can see it in his votes. Of course, I hate some of his ideas - amnesty for illegals. Crazy.

Anyway, I don't like McCain either, but at least he isn't purely Socialist/Communist - just semi.

-S

[ReallyDedPoet]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Yeah - they keep throwing the Canadian health care system in our faces as examples. I have family up there. Takes them 6 months to see a primary care doctor.

More related to the lack or resources than the system itself . There was not really much prudent planning with regards to work-force labor shortages, thus this has created problems within the system.

It's not perfect by any means, but nonetheless it was provided this Canadian Citizen with adequate care throughout the years. Could it be applied to the US, I am not even going to go there, just the sheer size of the US as compared to Canada would cause some major headaches, both cost wise and also how it would be applied.


RDP

[Tchocky]

I wish the Democratic Party would just get it over with and rename itself the Communist Party. Or at least the Domestic Insurgent Party.

I hear China's got the bomb, too. Dangerous times, these.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I wish the Democratic Party would just get it over with and rename itself the Communist Party. Or at least the Domestic Insurgent Party.

I hear China's got the bomb, too. Dangerous times, these.

Well considering the Communist party over here has them in their back pocket, I agree.

ANd yeah, CHina having the bomb and making threats towards Taiwan and to the US if they interfere is kind of a scary thing, so I have to agree there too! Latest is they are in an outrage over Taiwans request to become part of the UN. WWIII is going to be triggered by something like this, you can bet your hat on that one.

-S

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

The people who are uninsured are ones who have chosen to be uninsured. They make enough money to afford it but choose not to.

I didn't see a smiley on the end of it but have a hard time believing that comment was serious.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

I didn't see a smiley on the end of it but have a hard time believing that comment was serious.

It is. Even the Mexicans have figured out the system to fre health care, and the people who are not on welfare can afford it anyway. If you do a demographic, the majority lions share without health care is the 20 somethings that assume they are bullet proof. Of course, there is the odd family that gets caught up and has a situation where they are unprepared, but this is due to lack of planning and should not affect the rest of us.

This is what annoys me about the latest health care debate - The people who are most effected made it by choice or lack of proper planning. THese are not my problems. Forcing health care on these people is just pathetic since its their responsibility.

-S

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

It is. Even the Mexicans have figured out the system to fre health care, and the people who are not on welfare can afford it anyway. If you do a demographic, the majority lions share without health care is the 20 somethings that assume they are bullet proof. Of course, there is the odd family that gets caught up and has a situation where they are unprepared, but this is due to lack of planning and should not affect the rest of us.

This is what annoys me about the latest health care debate - The people who are most effected made it by choice or lack of proper planning. THese are not my problems. Forcing health care on these people is just pathetic since its their responsibility.

-S

The idea of universal insurance sounds awkward, as if your freedom to choose is being removed.
Think of it this way - as a step to lower general prices. If insurance is optional, then those who consider themselves to be low-risk won't buy it. Those who are at high risk will, naturally, alleviate that risk through buying insurance. Now that healthy people aren't buying insurance, the relative number of claims will rise, leading to higher premiums, pricing some people out of the market. Iterate as desired.
If everyone has to have insurance, then the risk-spread is better for the companies, and average prices are lower.

Health insurance costs are rising faster than wages or inflation, and medical bills are overwhelmingly the most common reason for personal bankruptcy in the United States.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by reallydedpoet

More related to the lack or resources than the system itself . There was not really much prudent planning with regards to work-force labor shortages, thus this has created problems within the system.

It's not perfect by any means, but nonetheless it was provided this Canadian Citizen with adequate care throughout the years. Could it be applied to the US, I am not even going to go there, just the sheer size of the US as compared to Canada would cause some major headaches, both cost wise and also how it would be applied.


RDP

Well you know, it could be argued that the lack of resources is a direct result of the system, so I don't buy that. At least to hear my Uncle talk, he will set you straight on that one. Pay rate is also a direct result of the system and apparently that system doesn't attract any news recruits because of it.

-S

[ReallyDedPoet]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Well you know, it could be argued that the lack of resources is a direct result of the system, so I don't buy that. At least to hear my Uncle talk, he will set you straight on that one. Pay rate is also a direct result of the system and apparently that system doesn't attract any news recruits because of it.

-S

There was a time when we were losing many to the US because of the dollar, that has changed some what in the current climate. Just look at the demographics with regards to boomers etc, folks just are not having the amount of children that they once had, couple this with the amount baby boomers retiring each year and you have your labor shortage. Planning with regards to this has been very poor and we are seeing the results.

Of course the issues are not all related to this, it is more complex than that, but the above is a definite driver.

Maybe I could put your Uncle in touch with my Mother ( retired RN ) and Brother in Law, who is an Orthopedic Surgeon, I am sure it would be an interesting disussion


RDP

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by reallydedpoet

...Maybe I could put your Uncle in touch with my Mother ( retired RN ) and Brother in Law, who is an Orthopedic Surgeon, I am sure it would be an interesting disussion


RDP

Oh my gosh! You have no idea how interesting it would get!

-S