Enigma-coded radio messages from BdU - grade of possibility?

lambda*sqrt(u*x) · 02-03-08, 03:28 PM

I was just playing around with the freeware "Enigma Simulator 6.4" by D. Rijmenants (which is announced fully compatible with the original Enigma *hrhr*) and wondered...

if it is, in any way, possible to encrypt as much as possible the radio traffic received by the BdU.

My _guess_ is that everything dynamic (numbers, coordinates) is untouchable due to game engine access restrictions, so I start this thread more out of curiosity and hope than of realistic expectations. Having just found my way with a slightly easier makeshift adaptation of vanjast's Real Navigation in combination with GWX2+OLC (I use the "plot course" capabilities, but only for near-base navigation and plan to simulate shooting stars in times of clear skies by using Ctrl+click on the map to fix my position), I feel cravings for even more realism. And I feel like adding Enigma would be well worth a Kaleu's wet dream...

sturmer · 02-03-08, 04:03 PM

it would be a nice touch for the realism of the mod/game, but isnt this going to be hard for any 'freshman' of the game.
dont understand me wrong but dont u need to include an enigma machine to decypher the messages that are send to u? cause how could u know what those messages mean?

sturmer
ps: sry for typo's

Dowly · 02-03-08, 04:10 PM

Yes, it is possible, but a HUGE job. I tried this once and at the time I had coded 5 msgs it had took me almost 2 hours.

Erich Topp · 02-03-08, 04:21 PM

Actually you will need to encrypt all the messages. If you wish to have them realistic, you also should change wire/wheels position on Enigma each 3 weeks)) But idea is good - pressing alt-tab, de-cyphering message.
It can be good only if messages will be connected with reality more tightly. Now to decrypt every message about "U-*** sunk a ship and going to base" may be abusive. They are abusive when non-encrypted sometimes.
Try to create a mission with some encrypted messages in it. It will be quite enough to play around enigma simulator.
PS: I also have this program. Nice GUI I should admit, and built-in "museum". I also have russian cyphering machine FIALKA simulator (enigma-based post-war cyphrator).

lambda*sqrt(u*x) · 02-03-08, 04:27 PM

About the huge job, yes... I was just thinking loud when starting this thread. In-Game, an Enigma would me almost completely impossible, but using Alt-Tab and the Enigma Simulator would spare that work.

I wasn't addressing freshmen at all here :P

Hm... maybe reduce key changes to a simplified set for wartime and let a script work over all messages?
But you're right... encrypting all those annoying September 1939 messages would be more a job for real-time players

02-03-08, 03:28 PM	#1
lambdasqrt(ux) Mate Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Some U-Boat pen in Austria Posts: 59 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Enigma-coded radio messages from BdU - grade of possibility? I was just playing around with the freeware "Enigma Simulator 6.4" by D. Rijmenants (which is announced fully compatible with the original Enigma hrhr) and wondered... if it is, in any way, possible to encrypt as much as possible the radio traffic received by the BdU. My _guess_ is that everything dynamic (numbers, coordinates) is untouchable due to game engine access restrictions, so I start this thread more out of curiosity and hope than of realistic expectations. Having just found my way with a slightly easier makeshift adaptation of vanjast's Real Navigation in combination with GWX2+OLC (I use the "plot course" capabilities, but only for near-base navigation and plan to simulate shooting stars in times of clear skies by using Ctrl+click on the map to fix my position), I feel cravings for even more realism. And I feel like adding Enigma would be well worth a Kaleu's wet dream... __________________ SH III 1.4b + GWX 3.0 + TMT v2 + OLC GUI MkIId + ACM + Ext. FreeCam + no submarine icon on map + SH3 Cmdr 3.2 85% (ext. views ON)

02-03-08, 04:03 PM	#2
sturmer Navy Dude Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Posts: 178 Downloads: 74 Uploads: 0	it would be a nice touch for the realism of the mod/game, but isnt this going to be hard for any 'freshman' of the game. dont understand me wrong but dont u need to include an enigma machine to decypher the messages that are send to u? cause how could u know what those messages mean? sturmer ps: sry for typo's __________________ "One Torpedo . . . one Ship" - Otto Kretschmer

02-03-08, 04:27 PM	#5
lambdasqrt(ux) Mate Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Some U-Boat pen in Austria Posts: 59 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	About the huge job, yes... I was just thinking loud when starting this thread. In-Game, an Enigma would me almost completely impossible, but using Alt-Tab and the Enigma Simulator would spare that work. I wasn't addressing freshmen at all here :P Hm... maybe reduce key changes to a simplified set for wartime and let a script work over all messages? But you're right... encrypting all those annoying September 1939 messages would be more a job for real-time players __________________ SH III 1.4b + GWX 3.0 + TMT v2 + OLC GUI MkIId + ACM + Ext. FreeCam + no submarine icon on map + SH3 Cmdr 3.2 85% (ext. views ON)

02-03-08, 04:10 PM	#3
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,053 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Yes, it is possible, but a HUGE job. I tried this once and at the time I had coded 5 msgs it had took me almost 2 hours.

02-03-08, 04:21 PM	#4
Erich Topp A-ganger Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 80 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Actually you will need to encrypt all the messages. If you wish to have them realistic, you also should change wire/wheels position on Enigma each 3 weeks)) But idea is good - pressing alt-tab, de-cyphering message. It can be good only if messages will be connected with reality more tightly. Now to decrypt every message about "U-*** sunk a ship and going to base" may be abusive. They are abusive when non-encrypted sometimes. Try to create a mission with some encrypted messages in it. It will be quite enough to play around enigma simulator. PS: I also have this program. Nice GUI I should admit, and built-in "museum". I also have russian cyphering machine FIALKA simulator (enigma-based post-war cyphrator).