Is "Show Dead Platforms" a "cheat"? - Page 2

Zerogreat · 03-07-06, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulB

It's flawed, that and the mission status which should only be available post-dive.

I think it was so back in 688(I) .. but i am not sure

PaulB · 03-07-06, 09:49 AM

Yup, it was so in 688(i). I still play it

Molon Labe · 03-07-06, 07:36 PM

I thought you could always check that sort of thing in the captain's quarters? I'm positive that goal status was displayed, which often sucked becuase avoiding counterdetection was a frequent goal....

Qppralke · 03-08-06, 04:34 AM

Same here.

You can always check status screen , and make decision about launching new torps. Sometimes it's a hell up there - and you can get a lock on the contact to see the contact data on the DEMON.

Dead platforms - how is it modelled now ? Do they still disapear after certain time ? I remember in SC dead platforms saved my sub a couple of times - just because torpedoes locked on to them.

I remember I used to look for the wreck after mission using active and Hi Freq.

Dr.Sid · 03-08-06, 04:49 AM

They vanish after time .. minutes or so. Would be nice if they could stay for ever.
It would be also nice to be able to put rocks and wrecks in the mission editor to fool active sonar.

Qppralke · 03-08-06, 05:01 AM

That's it.

PaulB · 03-08-06, 08:05 AM

ML, if you're talking about 688(I), yes, goal status was displayed in the Captain's Quarters indeed. Kills and object launches were not though

Fearless · 12-06-07, 04:32 AM

There should be a "Maybe" in the Poll. I can't make a decision whether it is or isn't a cheat.

Greenwood · 12-06-07, 10:24 AM

It is a cheat lol Showing Dead platforms is showing something your not supposed to see.

What I would like to see is maybe more sounds coming from sinking and broken up boats - that way we have a non-cheating way of confirming if something is dead or not.

Maybe add some debris in water for some effects.

But the sound of ships breaking up and flooding should be louder so we can pick it up on sonar and confirm the death of units instead of using cheats and mission status - that would be the most realistic.

MarkShot · 12-06-07, 03:01 PM

How about looking at the Game Status screen to see what kills are expected and what the goal descriptions are?

Normally, I would stay this stuff and more is cheating, but there are so many missions that you have no chance of winning, since the designer doesn't give you a clue as to what must be done ... that I say "who cares?".

Yesterday, I was playing a mission where you has to:

(1) Approach within a certain range of a non-specific target.

(2) Hold periscope contact with it for over two minutes.

The briefing said "identify the boat carrying terrorist cargo". How was I ever going to know that I needed to do the above?

---

I recently realized something SC/DW missions which are poorly designed suck big time. When I used to play Combat Mission and played poorly designed missions, simply because the scoring system was very basic, even badly designed missions played better than SC/DW badly designed missions.

Molon Labe · 12-06-07, 03:20 PM

Bad mission design is no excuse for the sim designers to make Truth information available to players (without having the option to disable it).

Blacklight · 12-13-07, 03:00 PM

It IS a cheat

... and YES I USE IT !!! MUAHAHAHAHAAA !!!!

I think it's just the fact that I like to rub it in the sinking platform's face while she's going down.

01-23-08, 12:12 PM

It is a cheat.ANd i dont use it. I even dont use linked data sometimes. It kills the fun of hunting.

Kazuaki Shimazaki II · 01-23-08, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imamar

It is a cheat.ANd i dont use it. I even dont use linked data sometimes. It kills the fun of hunting.

On the other hand, you don't get all the info you might get in real life with DW. For example, if you are close to the target, sonar might be able to hear it filling with water, with its bulkheads collapsing and tell you "Yeah, it is probably dead". This option is unavailable in DW, except by using the periscope.

Stanny · 01-24-08, 11:23 AM

I voted for "No" option.How "3D view" or "show dead platforms" options can be cheats?The only cheat in both SC and DW is the "Show truth".

Because,when you turn off both auto crewmen and "Show Truth" everything depends on your sonar operational skills only.And there is a situation when you can see only that you are actually able to see due to your sonar operational skills.If you cannot operate the sonar well-you will not see anything sensible.I mean "Show dead platforms" or "3D view" bring very little or completely no help to you during gameplay.

The main idea of the discussed option is just to bring some fun to the very sophisticated,complicated and serious sims.People like admiring their Seawolf class submarines cruising through beautyfull water,like to know that this power is totally under their control.People like to see the results of their skilled engagemets-dead platforms,destroyed by their torpedoes or missiles.

Best regards,
Stan.

View Poll Results: Do you consider the "Show Dead Platforms" filter a cheat?
Yes	33	45.21%
No	30	41.10%
Only in Multiplayer	10	13.70%
Voters: 73. You may not vote on this poll

03-07-06, 09:49 AM	#17
PaulB Watch Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Europe Posts: 28 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Yup, it was so in 688(i). I still play it __________________ A war at sea... A war with no battles... no monuments... Only Casualties

03-07-06, 07:36 PM	#18
Molon Labe Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Along the Watchtower Posts: 3,810 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 5	I thought you could always check that sort of thing in the captain's quarters? I'm positive that goal status was displayed, which often sucked becuase avoiding counterdetection was a frequent goal.... __________________

03-08-06, 04:34 AM	#19
Qppralke A-ganger Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: from Poland , in Wales . . Posts: 72 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Same here. You can always check status screen , and make decision about launching new torps. Sometimes it's a hell up there - and you can get a lock on the contact to see the contact data on the DEMON. Dead platforms - how is it modelled now ? Do they still disapear after certain time ? I remember in SC dead platforms saved my sub a couple of times - just because torpedoes locked on to them. I remember I used to look for the wreck after mission using active and Hi Freq. __________________

03-08-06, 05:01 AM	#21
Qppralke A-ganger Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: from Poland , in Wales . . Posts: 72 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	That's it. __________________

03-08-06, 04:49 AM	#20
Dr.Sid The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	They vanish after time .. minutes or so. Would be nice if they could stay for ever. It would be also nice to be able to put rocks and wrecks in the mission editor to fool active sonar.

03-08-06, 08:05 AM	#22
PaulB Watch Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Europe Posts: 28 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	ML, if you're talking about 688(I), yes, goal status was displayed in the Captain's Quarters indeed. Kills and object launches were not though __________________ A war at sea... A war with no battles... no monuments... Only Casualties

12-06-07, 04:32 AM	#23
Fearless Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 1,047 Downloads: 340 Uploads: 1	There should be a "Maybe" in the Poll. I can't make a decision whether it is or isn't a cheat. __________________ Fearless System Specs: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 8 Core 16 Thread CPU, 3.8GHz Base Clock, 4.7GHz Boost, 105W TDP, 32MB L3 cache \| MSI GeForce RTX3060Ti 8Gb Graphics \| Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32Gb (2x16Gb) 3200 MHz CL16 DDR4 Ram \| Samsung 970 Evo Plus NVMe SSD 1TB \| Seagate Barracuda 2.5in 2TB HDD \| AOC QHD 165 Hz FreeSync HDR curved 31.5in Monitor \| ASUS ROG Strix LC 240 ARGB AIO Liquid CPU Cooler White Edition \| ASUS ROG Strix Gold 750W Modular Power Supply \| Corsair iCUE 5000X RGB Tempered Glass Mid Tower Case White.

12-06-07, 10:24 AM	#24
Greenwood Seaman Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 33 Downloads: 112 Uploads: 0	It is a cheat lol Showing Dead platforms is showing something your not supposed to see. What I would like to see is maybe more sounds coming from sinking and broken up boats - that way we have a non-cheating way of confirming if something is dead or not. Maybe add some debris in water for some effects. But the sound of ships breaking up and flooding should be louder so we can pick it up on sonar and confirm the death of units instead of using cheats and mission status - that would be the most realistic.

12-06-07, 03:01 PM	#25
MarkShot Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,134 Downloads: 93 Uploads: 0	How about looking at the Game Status screen to see what kills are expected and what the goal descriptions are? Normally, I would stay this stuff and more is cheating, but there are so many missions that you have no chance of winning, since the designer doesn't give you a clue as to what must be done ... that I say "who cares?". Yesterday, I was playing a mission where you has to: (1) Approach within a certain range of a non-specific target. (2) Hold periscope contact with it for over two minutes. The briefing said "identify the boat carrying terrorist cargo". How was I ever going to know that I needed to do the above? --- I recently realized something SC/DW missions which are poorly designed suck big time. When I used to play Combat Mission and played poorly designed missions, simply because the scoring system was very basic, even badly designed missions played better than SC/DW badly designed missions. __________________ War games, not wars! --- Only a small few profit from war (that should not stand)!

12-06-07, 03:20 PM	#26
Molon Labe Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Along the Watchtower Posts: 3,810 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 5	Bad mission design is no excuse for the sim designers to make Truth information available to players (without having the option to disable it). __________________

12-13-07, 03:00 PM	#27
Blacklight Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,507 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	It IS a cheat ... and YES I USE IT !!! MUAHAHAHAHAAA !!!! I think it's just the fact that I like to rub it in the sinking platform's face while she's going down. __________________ Be my friend or be a mushroom cloud. "I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes !"

01-23-08, 12:12 PM	#28
Imamar Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	It is a cheat.ANd i dont use it. I even dont use linked data sometimes. It kills the fun of hunting.

01-24-08, 11:23 AM	#30
Stanny Loader Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 88 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I voted for "No" option.How "3D view" or "show dead platforms" options can be cheats?The only cheat in both SC and DW is the "Show truth". Because,when you turn off both auto crewmen and "Show Truth" everything depends on your sonar operational skills only.And there is a situation when you can see only that you are actually able to see due to your sonar operational skills.If you cannot operate the sonar well-you will not see anything sensible.I mean "Show dead platforms" or "3D view" bring very little or completely no help to you during gameplay. The main idea of the discussed option is just to bring some fun to the very sophisticated,complicated and serious sims.People like admiring their Seawolf class submarines cruising through beautyfull water,like to know that this power is totally under their control.People like to see the results of their skilled engagemets-dead platforms,destroyed by their torpedoes or missiles. Best regards, Stan.