In memoriam - my first casualties ever

[Sniper_Fox]

its not the watch officers job to command the boats manouvers... thats the captains job...


its you that needs to be on trial!

[Sniper_Fox]

Originally Posted by TomcatMVD

Unless you WO was Bernard, in which case, such an opportunity to get rid of him could not be wasted!:hmm:

friggin bernard, hes always screwin up and costing many lives... someone ought to either drown him or use him as shark bait for some exotic sharks for a delecacy for the crew

[TomcatMVD]

Originally Posted by Abd_von_Mumit

TomcatMVD - big thanks for the quote. What's the source of it? A historical background like this is very helpful, as it lets understand the way of thinking and making decisions by people, not only the cold facts.

http://www.nizkor.org/

Found it by googling, it's a transcript of part of the Nuremberg trials

[NealT]

Originally Posted by Abd_von_Mumit

Thanks for the link, Sailor Steve. But I think we should not compare US Navy to U-Bootsflotte too easily. These two are two different worlds as far as I understand history. There is also a significant difference in these two situations - as stated in the USS Frank E. Evans article, a "junior officer who was not qualified to stand watch, having failed at his previous board" led the ship to collision, while in U-52's case the WO was a trained and experienced officr who was to take command of his own boat in a month or two (and I really planned to have him transfered).

On the other hand I understand the rule "the commander is always responsible for everything that happens on his ship", so I'm ready to be punished (as a part of roleplay thing). As there is no in-game court or a BdU that could make the decision, the only way is to ask you - I mean the community - to play BdU's (or jury's) role and decide whether I should:
- stay at command,
- be downgraded (I mean opposite for promoted) and to what rank,
- be expelled from the U-Bootsflotte,
- be transfered to a less responsible station (like training flotilla),
- be trialed and sentenced (to: death, konzentrationslager, jail, any other appropriate punishment).
If you, Sailor Steve, would agree to become a jury in this case, it would be an honour for me. I'd be glad to answer any question, provide any information or evidence, and I'd of course obey any jury's judgment.

TomcatMVD - big thanks for the quote. What's the source of it? A historical background like this is very helpful, as it lets understand the way of thinking and making decisions by people, not only the cold facts.

In the spirit of doing what you asked? My answer is...

TO THE EASTERN FRONT FOR YOU!

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Sailor Steve]

If it was me, I'd make a deal with the officer in question: Advise him not to get so close next time, and let it go at that. Nobody gets blamed, and everybody goes home happy (except the unfortunately dead sailors, of course).

Of course I speak from the vantage point of experience - during the gunnery training mission I got too close to a tanker, which then exploded, killing myself and everyone else on the bridge, including one of the Kriegsmarine's most beloved teachers. I wish I could have lived to see the look on the faces of the rest of the crew when they came up to see what happened!:rotfl:

[TomcatMVD]

Does shrapnel damage the U-boat on stock SHIII?

[Uncle Goose]

Don't know about that in the stock game but a plane crashing on your sub will create serious damage or even sink your sub (had this a few times) so watch out with shooting B24's out of the air if they come straight at you.

[Subject]

Originally Posted by Abd_von_Mumit

...I decided to leave the bridge to let the WO do his job, went down and started preparing some paper work usuall for transfer procedures. My last words before leaving the bridge were: "Take the commad, report only on case of any problems. If in fear or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout. Good luck!".

I stand corrected, Sir! Didn't know or think of that part. Of course you can't be awake all time and command was duly transferred. Shoot the *beep* - or maybe just a hard reprimande. You can be sure neither him - or yourself - will make that mistake again. If you let him go, you will all gain something... :hmm:
In the end that may even be the hardest verdict - he must live on, knowing he was the cause of killed comrades...

[Abd_von_Mumit]

Originally Posted by NealT

In the spirit of doing what you asked? My answer is...

TO THE EASTERN FRONT FOR YOU!

There is no such a thing in February '40, Poland has been liberated allready. Now we are struggling to liberate France, but that' West undoubtedly.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

If it was me, I'd make a deal with the officer in question: Advise him not to get so close next time, and let it go at that. Nobody gets blamed, and everybody goes home happy (except the unfortunately dead sailors, of course).

But there is still the moment of going back to base and reporting at BdU. After rethinking the cse I'll skip the WO part and I'll just say "WE have been to close", takieng all responsibility. At the same time I'm going to ask for the WO to be transfered.

I hope BdU will be more excited with the 97k tonnage sunk than the 3 lost men.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Of course I speak from the vantage point of experience - during the gunnery training mission I got too close to a tanker, which then exploded, killing myself and everyone else on the bridge, including one of the Kriegsmarine's most beloved teachers. I wish I could have lived to see the look on the faces of the rest of the crew when they came up to see what happened!:rotfl: