No Deck Gun damage with RFB 1.4

exponent8246 · 01-09-08, 12:10 PM

Hi all.

I'm currently running Real Fleet Boat 1.4 for ROW RC1 along with other ROW mods.
Since installing the RFB mod (and started a new career), I have noticed that when I engage an enemy with the deck gun, there seems to be no effect on the target ship.
There is also no visible damage to the ship when a shell hits home (whereas before installing RFB there was visible damage).
I have pounded a crippled and listing Large merchant with deck gun shells untill all have been expended - all to no avail!!

Is this a mod problem or what???

Any ideas out there??

Thanks.

P.S - I am saddened to hear of the passing of Dave/LEOVAMPIRE.

I'm a noob amd obviously didnt know him but am aware of using his mods which has made my gaming experience much more enjoyable!!

Just my 2 pence worth.

M. Sarsfield · 01-09-08, 02:15 PM

RFB might incorporate some of the Natural Sinking Mechanics (NSM) mods, which basically removes the ability of sinking a large ship with just deck gun fire. Even if it was burning and listing from torpedo hits, the final damage to make her sink has to happen below the water line. Did you have your gunners aim for the water line and did they concentrate fire in one or two locations?

exponent8246 · 01-09-08, 02:25 PM

Hi,

Yeah I tried aiming in quite a few different locations with noe effect!!
Tried waterline, hull, conning tower.
Just didnt seem to do anything which is a bit poor!!!

Any suggestions??

M. Sarsfield · 01-09-08, 02:40 PM

Did you save the game before you expended all of your deck ammo? If not, start a tutorial mission and put at least one fish into a freighter and then manually fire the deck gun at one spot in the water line. It's a lot more effective than just riddling it full of holes in random locations. Above the water line the ship will burn, you may destroy some deck guns, and/or an ammo crate might explode, but that's about it. A tanker full of fuel may be a different story... assuming that the devs modeled empty and full tankers.

Basically, NSM calculates sink rate based on the amount of damage to a compartment below the water line and the number of compartments in a ship that are damaged and healthy. It also depends on the skill of the damage control team for that ship and how well armored the ship is - or at least it's supposed to be that way.

exponent8246 · 01-09-08, 03:26 PM

Ok mate, will take your advice and see how it goes.

Thanks pal.:p

AVGWarhawk · 01-09-08, 03:52 PM

There has been an ongoing discussion when it comes to the cannons. It concerned both SH3 and SH4. Some say you should be able to blast everything out of the water with the cannon like it was you main weapon. Other say it was just secondary and used very little to sink vessels. For the most part this is true. If we left the gun to be able to sink everything, you would be coming back to port with over 100,000 tons all the time. The gun is too stable, even on very rough seas. Basically, it is a huge disadvantage for the AI. But who cares about that. So, to counter act this, the shells are not as effective. This makes the player realize it is a secondary weapon and considers using the primary weapon, torpedoes. Personally, I would love to blast everything out of the water with the cannon. But lets face it, a huge ship would require a lot of rounds. It is the best answer at the moment to get a bit of realism concerning the cannon.

01-09-08, 12:10 PM	#1
exponent8246 Sparky Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 153 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	No Deck Gun damage with RFB 1.4 Hi all. I'm currently running Real Fleet Boat 1.4 for ROW RC1 along with other ROW mods. Since installing the RFB mod (and started a new career), I have noticed that when I engage an enemy with the deck gun, there seems to be no effect on the target ship. There is also no visible damage to the ship when a shell hits home (whereas before installing RFB there was visible damage). I have pounded a crippled and listing Large merchant with deck gun shells untill all have been expended - all to no avail!! Is this a mod problem or what??? Any ideas out there?? Thanks. P.S - I am saddened to hear of the passing of Dave/LEOVAMPIRE. I'm a noob amd obviously didnt know him but am aware of using his mods which has made my gaming experience much more enjoyable!! Just my 2 pence worth. Last edited by exponent8246; 01-09-08 at 12:34 PM.

01-09-08, 02:15 PM	#2
M. Sarsfield Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,016 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	RFB might incorporate some of the Natural Sinking Mechanics (NSM) mods, which basically removes the ability of sinking a large ship with just deck gun fire. Even if it was burning and listing from torpedo hits, the final damage to make her sink has to happen below the water line. Did you have your gunners aim for the water line and did they concentrate fire in one or two locations? __________________ MJS USS Batfish Volunteer/Reenactor www.ss310.com www.ussbatfish.com Communism killed over 100M people and all that I got was this lousy signature.* *http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

01-09-08, 02:40 PM	#4
M. Sarsfield Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,016 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Did you save the game before you expended all of your deck ammo? If not, start a tutorial mission and put at least one fish into a freighter and then manually fire the deck gun at one spot in the water line. It's a lot more effective than just riddling it full of holes in random locations. Above the water line the ship will burn, you may destroy some deck guns, and/or an ammo crate might explode, but that's about it. A tanker full of fuel may be a different story... assuming that the devs modeled empty and full tankers. Basically, NSM calculates sink rate based on the amount of damage to a compartment below the water line and the number of compartments in a ship that are damaged and healthy. It also depends on the skill of the damage control team for that ship and how well armored the ship is - or at least it's supposed to be that way. __________________ MJS USS Batfish Volunteer/Reenactor www.ss310.com www.ussbatfish.com Communism killed over 100M people and all that I got was this lousy signature.* *http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

01-09-08, 03:52 PM	#6
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,274 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	There has been an ongoing discussion when it comes to the cannons. It concerned both SH3 and SH4. Some say you should be able to blast everything out of the water with the cannon like it was you main weapon. Other say it was just secondary and used very little to sink vessels. For the most part this is true. If we left the gun to be able to sink everything, you would be coming back to port with over 100,000 tons all the time. The gun is too stable, even on very rough seas. Basically, it is a huge disadvantage for the AI. But who cares about that. So, to counter act this, the shells are not as effective. This makes the player realize it is a secondary weapon and considers using the primary weapon, torpedoes. Personally, I would love to blast everything out of the water with the cannon. But lets face it, a huge ship would require a lot of rounds. It is the best answer at the moment to get a bit of realism concerning the cannon. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

01-09-08, 02:25 PM	#3
exponent8246 Sparky Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 153 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Hi, Yeah I tried aiming in quite a few different locations with noe effect!! Tried waterline, hull, conning tower. Just didnt seem to do anything which is a bit poor!!! Any suggestions??

01-09-08, 03:26 PM	#5
exponent8246 Sparky Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 153 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Ok mate, will take your advice and see how it goes. Thanks pal.:p