If there is an SH5 - Page 2

John Channing · 01-03-08, 03:46 PM

But back on topic....

I would like to see a China vs Nato scenario. Shallow water, modern technology, nukes vs deisels.

Either that or a 60's cold war turns hot scenario.

Butthat just me...

JCC

Hartmann · 01-03-08, 04:05 PM

A good solution could be a time period from pre nuke subs to the first nuke submarines, and other modern devices.
start with diesel submarines and end with nukes, perhaps in separate campaigns.

i don´t think that a nuclear submarine is booring, you have to deal with the turbines noise, cavitation at some depths, Very quiet diesel submarines, possible reactor malfuntions, crew phisical an mental fatigue (stay 2 months at 200 meters is not easy ), and dangers like frigates with towed sonars, helos.. homing torpedoes..:hmm:

Q3ark · 01-03-08, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by John Channing

Actually the average depth of the Med is between 1430 and 1500 meters (depending on who you ask) and the deepest recorded point is 5,267 meters (about 3.27 miles) in the Calypso Deep in the Ionian Sea.

JCC

Realy? That'll teach me to check my sources before posting

:rotfl:

But still think a Med campaign would be cool

dean_acheson · 01-03-08, 04:46 PM

I good solution would be Destroyer Command 2.

Sailor Steve · 01-03-08, 05:31 PM

I've said in the past that I think SH5 should wait until the next level of technology is available for a truly updated game, but the more I read ideas people have the more I see the possibility for UBI selling both older and newer sub warfare sims based on the current SH4 technology.

I'm not sure if I would be interested in a modern sim, but standing on the bridge of a brand new attack sub and watching the water swirl over that torpedo-shaped bow? Hmm...

If enough people played it and liked it, I might feel the need to join in.

CCIP · 01-03-08, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dean_acheson

I good solution would be Destroyer Command 2.

Yep, that's what I'm really waiting on now, more so then a future SH. It's not that there's no way we can have a better subsim - but let's admit, at this point we have both an Atlantic and a Pacific sim that are equally functional and fun to play. Personally I like the WWII focus of the SH series and I'm fine with it staying there. I'd rather have them do WWII subs in the future as well - but given time and a brand new engine.

John Channing · 01-03-08, 07:47 PM

Agreed. That would be my number 1 choice.

JCC

Torplexed · 01-03-08, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dean_acheson

I good solution would be Destroyer Command 2.

Hear! Hear! Looonnngg overdue.

kiwi_2005 · 01-03-08, 08:43 PM

SH5 = a Watered down "Dangerous Waters" type game with dynamic campaign during the Cold war era or maybe a war a few yrs into the future.

Then again Destroyer Command 2 would be great also

FIREWALL · 01-03-08, 09:06 PM

Destroyer Command

Now why didn't I post that.

pythos · 01-03-08, 09:15 PM

Way to take a thread completely off topic guys, thanks.

Rockin Robbins · 01-03-08, 09:15 PM

Why take the next step before you're maximized the possibilities for profit of the current scenario. Each step finances the next and I'd buy a destroyer command for SH4 in a flash.

dean_acheson · 01-04-08, 12:02 PM

If we all held our breath until we turned blue and stomped our feet alot, do you think that UBI might consider it?

Lord God knows, I'd love to just sit at my desk and enjoy the view from the bridge of my Fletcher class rig.... ah..... how nice that would be.

Gosh, just to go for a ride with Taffy 3.

...hold breath starting now......

Iron Budokan · 01-04-08, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Ah man ! That telephone cable splicing would do it for me !

I'm drooling just thinking about it!

scrag · 01-06-08, 12:30 AM

1. Present Cold War sub sims are very in accurate and frankly pretty stupid overall - simply not enough data is available to make it accurate enough - much easier to make a modern tank or Aircraft sim as you can get a pretty close feel on much of it. Nuclear Sub sims are simply not well done (on a SH level). Cold War 46 - 52 does not match up well historically either - NATO would have swept the seas of any creditable Soviet threat forcing a nuclear confrontation or withdrawal. NATO vs PRC ??????? Atlantic - Pacific - not happening. There was a SEATO organization but it seemingly evaporated. A PRC Vs Japan scenario is plausible and meets some of the points. Take a look at the historical timeline involved after WWII and the numbers of ships involved and my point is made.
I maintain my suggestion of bringing in the other Navies of WWII (Japan, UK, France, Italy) under there respective alliances and make them playable OR bring SHIII up to SH IV video quality, SHIV to SHIII interface, playability and merge them into one sim and add the other countires submarine forces - on a global scale would be pretty involved and entertaining.

01-03-08, 04:05 PM	#17
Hartmann Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grid CH 26, Spain ,Barcelona Posts: 1,857 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	A good solution could be a time period from pre nuke subs to the first nuke submarines, and other modern devices. start with diesel submarines and end with nukes, perhaps in separate campaigns. i don´t think that a nuclear submarine is booring, you have to deal with the turbines noise, cavitation at some depths, Very quiet diesel submarines, possible reactor malfuntions, crew phisical an mental fatigue (stay 2 months at 200 meters is not easy ), and dangers like frigates with towed sonars, helos.. homing torpedoes..:hmm: __________________ But this ship can't sink!... She is made of iron, sir. I assure you, she can. and she will. It is a mathematical certainty. Strength and honor

01-03-08, 05:31 PM	#20
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I've said in the past that I think SH5 should wait until the next level of technology is available for a truly updated game, but the more I read ideas people have the more I see the possibility for UBI selling both older and newer sub warfare sims based on the current SH4 technology. I'm not sure if I would be interested in a modern sim, but standing on the bridge of a brand new attack sub and watching the water swirl over that torpedo-shaped bow? Hmm... If enough people played it and liked it, I might feel the need to join in. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-03-08, 08:43 PM	#24
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	SH5 = a Watered down "Dangerous Waters" type game with dynamic campaign during the Cold war era or maybe a war a few yrs into the future. Then again Destroyer Command 2 would be great also __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

01-03-08, 09:06 PM	#25
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Destroyer Command Now why didn't I post that. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

01-03-08, 09:15 PM	#27
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Destroyer Command! Why take the next step before you're maximized the possibilities for profit of the current scenario. Each step finances the next and I'd buy a destroyer command for SH4 in a flash. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

01-03-08, 03:46 PM	#16
John Channing Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 1998 Posts: 1,846 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 5	But back on topic.... I would like to see a China vs Nato scenario. Shallow water, modern technology, nukes vs deisels. Either that or a 60's cold war turns hot scenario. Butthat just me... JCC

01-03-08, 04:46 PM	#19
dean_acheson Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Midwest - USA Posts: 1,057 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	I good solution would be Destroyer Command 2.

01-03-08, 07:47 PM	#22
John Channing Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 1998 Posts: 1,846 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 5	Agreed. That would be my number 1 choice. JCC

01-03-08, 09:15 PM	#26
pythos Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere over there Posts: 834 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Way to take a thread completely off topic guys, thanks.

01-04-08, 12:02 PM	#28
dean_acheson Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Midwest - USA Posts: 1,057 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	If we all held our breath until we turned blue and stomped our feet alot, do you think that UBI might consider it? Lord God knows, I'd love to just sit at my desk and enjoy the view from the bridge of my Fletcher class rig.... ah..... how nice that would be. Gosh, just to go for a ride with Taffy 3. ...hold breath starting now......

01-06-08, 12:30 AM	#30
scrag Medic Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pearl Harbor, Hawaii Posts: 161 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Posted on this in a previous thread 1. Present Cold War sub sims are very in accurate and frankly pretty stupid overall - simply not enough data is available to make it accurate enough - much easier to make a modern tank or Aircraft sim as you can get a pretty close feel on much of it. Nuclear Sub sims are simply not well done (on a SH level). Cold War 46 - 52 does not match up well historically either - NATO would have swept the seas of any creditable Soviet threat forcing a nuclear confrontation or withdrawal. NATO vs PRC ??????? Atlantic - Pacific - not happening. There was a SEATO organization but it seemingly evaporated. A PRC Vs Japan scenario is plausible and meets some of the points. Take a look at the historical timeline involved after WWII and the numbers of ships involved and my point is made. I maintain my suggestion of bringing in the other Navies of WWII (Japan, UK, France, Italy) under there respective alliances and make them playable OR bring SHIII up to SH IV video quality, SHIV to SHIII interface, playability and merge them into one sim and add the other countires submarine forces - on a global scale would be pretty involved and entertaining. __________________