[REL] Natural Sinking Mechanics - Page 33

baxter · 01-03-08, 09:00 PM

Thanks, Werner...I didn't realize I could run NSM 3.3 with version 1.4 and my mods. That will be a big improvement and make it easier to wait for NSM 4.0.

fireship4 · 01-04-08, 12:04 PM

there was another mod which included the fact that (at least early war) torpedos set on contact would not go off unless they hit at a glancing angle. Something about the trigger mechanism being crushed maybe. If i remember you could avoid this by setting them to slow. Will 4.0 have this?

Secondly, do the torps do more damage to the keel the nearer to it they explode?

CaptainHaplo · 01-04-08, 06:50 PM

Fireship,

Unless Werner really makes some changes to the torps - damage has a radius effect - at the center of the radius is where the most damage is applied - as the distance from the center increases, damage is reduced. This is how the game currently works - whether using NSM or not. I don't know that its something that can be changed as its likely hardcoded. With that said, the closer the keel is to the torp when it goes off, the more damage is going to be applied to the keel zone or zones in the area of effect. Hope this helps.

sqk7744 · 01-05-08, 11:52 PM

Thanks Werner!

Notewire · 01-06-08, 08:58 PM

Werner,

I am sure you have answered this 100 times - but how does the newbie go about adjusting the MinEf and MaxEf of the deck guns? I haven't been able to find the values in the files - or maybe I am missing the parent program needed to adjust the .zon and .sim files?

Thanks for the help,
Notewire.

CaptainHaplo · 01-06-08, 09:37 PM

Notewire - either the program Minitweaker (with requisite tweakfiles) or Silent 3ditor will work to mod these. I advise Silent 3ditor as it gets you more info and is easier to get all that you need.

WernerSobe · 01-08-08, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fireship4

there was another mod which included the fact that (at least early war) torpedos set on contact would not go off unless they hit at a glancing angle. Something about the trigger mechanism being crushed maybe. If i remember you could avoid this by setting them to slow. Will 4.0 have this?

Secondly, do the torps do more damage to the keel the nearer to it they explode?

1. no its not possible. the pistols and torpedo speed are defined in different files and there is no connection between both.

2. no. You either hit the keel or you dont. The keel zone is not "inside" the ship it is a virtual zone that is under the ship. You can only hit the keelzone when the torpedo literely explodes under the ship. If it does, it will always be critical.

fireship4 · 01-08-08, 08:11 PM

Thanks for the reply Werner. If I have time I may try to dig up the thread where I read the information on the pistols being crushed.

black1 · 01-11-08, 02:40 PM

Hello Werner any news on your great mod 1.4?

Wilcke · 01-11-08, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by black1

Hello Werner any news on your great mod 1.4?

...patience grasshopper...all in good time...waiting is Grok.

black1 · 01-11-08, 06:23 PM

True master.

sevn_up · 01-11-08, 11:38 PM

Not sure if anybody has run across this bug yet. When you torpedo certain ships such as the different liners, a few seconds after the explosion, the ship will just disappear. For example, I found an ocean liner cruising around. I torpedoed the ship close to the bow. Once the explosion occured, it acted like a critical hit because both smoke stacks blew off. Then the entire hull disappeared, showing the internals of the ship then just disappeared. Another good example is the liner that is in the quick mission. I can torpedo that ship as well and after a few seconds the ship just disappears. It doesn't show as a kill either. Has anybody come across this yet?

WernerSobe · 01-15-08, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sevn_up

Not sure if anybody has run across this bug yet. When you torpedo certain ships such as the different liners, a few seconds after the explosion, the ship will just disappear. For example, I found an ocean liner cruising around. I torpedoed the ship close to the bow. Once the explosion occured, it acted like a critical hit because both smoke stacks blew off. Then the entire hull disappeared, showing the internals of the ship then just disappeared. Another good example is the liner that is in the quick mission. I can torpedo that ship as well and after a few seconds the ship just disappears. It doesn't show as a kill either. Has anybody come across this yet?

This can only happen when you set a zone to be destructable. There are no destructable zones in NSM files, so i suppose you have a conflict with another mod.

Have you been editing the zones.cfg or have you overwritten it with zones.cfg from another mod?

M. Sarsfield · 01-16-08, 01:51 PM

I haven't followed this thread for weeks, so forgive my ignorance. Is anyone here using NSM with Trigger Maru? I think Ducimus incorporated some NSM features into TM, but I no longer remember the details. Thanks.

Lopo · 01-16-08, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M. Sarsfield

I haven't followed this thread for weeks, so forgive my ignorance. Is anyone here using NSM with Trigger Maru? I think Ducimus incorporated some NSM features into TM, but I no longer remember the details. Thanks.

Hi,

I used NSM 3.3 with TM 1.75+RSRD 221+ROW but I have had a bug "smoke on water" (see post #1446 on http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=115258&page=73)... and according to Ducimus, I disable NSM 3.3. What a pity!

@WernerSobe

Would NSM 4 be totally compatible with TM 1.75?

01-04-08, 12:04 PM	#482
fireship4 Ensign Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 221 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	there was another mod which included the fact that (at least early war) torpedos set on contact would not go off unless they hit at a glancing angle. Something about the trigger mechanism being crushed maybe. If i remember you could avoid this by setting them to slow. Will 4.0 have this? Secondly, do the torps do more damage to the keel the nearer to it they explode? __________________ Rest in peace Dave Last edited by fireship4; 01-04-08 at 01:00 PM.

01-04-08, 06:50 PM	#483
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Fireship, Unless Werner really makes some changes to the torps - damage has a radius effect - at the center of the radius is where the most damage is applied - as the distance from the center increases, damage is reduced. This is how the game currently works - whether using NSM or not. I don't know that its something that can be changed as its likely hardcoded. With that said, the closer the keel is to the torp when it goes off, the more damage is going to be applied to the keel zone or zones in the area of effect. Hope this helps. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

01-05-08, 11:52 PM	#484
sqk7744 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ~About 60' below Posts: 1,150 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Thanks Werner! __________________ " All Ships can dive, but only Submarine's surface!" MODS: KillFlags - Elco PT109 - AOB Attack Course Tutorial

01-06-08, 09:37 PM	#486
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Notewire - either the program Minitweaker (with requisite tweakfiles) or Silent 3ditor will work to mod these. I advise Silent 3ditor as it gets you more info and is easier to get all that you need. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

01-08-08, 08:11 PM	#488
fireship4 Ensign Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 221 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the reply Werner. If I have time I may try to dig up the thread where I read the information on the pistols being crushed. __________________ Rest in peace Dave

01-03-08, 09:00 PM	#481
baxter 中国水兵 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New York Posts: 282 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Thanks, Werner...I didn't realize I could run NSM 3.3 with version 1.4 and my mods. That will be a big improvement and make it easier to wait for NSM 4.0.

01-06-08, 08:58 PM	#485
Notewire Soundman Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 143 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	Werner, I am sure you have answered this 100 times - but how does the newbie go about adjusting the MinEf and MaxEf of the deck guns? I haven't been able to find the values in the files - or maybe I am missing the parent program needed to adjust the .zon and .sim files? Thanks for the help, Notewire.

01-11-08, 02:40 PM	#489
black1 Ensign Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 225 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Hello Werner any news on your great mod 1.4?

01-11-08, 06:23 PM	#491
black1 Ensign Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 225 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	True master.

01-11-08, 11:38 PM	#492
sevn_up Watch Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Pearland, Texas Posts: 16 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Not sure if anybody has run across this bug yet. When you torpedo certain ships such as the different liners, a few seconds after the explosion, the ship will just disappear. For example, I found an ocean liner cruising around. I torpedoed the ship close to the bow. Once the explosion occured, it acted like a critical hit because both smoke stacks blew off. Then the entire hull disappeared, showing the internals of the ship then just disappeared. Another good example is the liner that is in the quick mission. I can torpedo that ship as well and after a few seconds the ship just disappears. It doesn't show as a kill either. Has anybody come across this yet?

01-16-08, 01:51 PM	#494
M. Sarsfield Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,016 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I haven't followed this thread for weeks, so forgive my ignorance. Is anyone here using NSM with Trigger Maru? I think Ducimus incorporated some NSM features into TM, but I no longer remember the details. Thanks. __________________ MJS USS Batfish Volunteer/Reenactor www.ss310.com www.ussbatfish.com Communism killed over 100M people and all that I got was this lousy signature.* *http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM