SH3/SH4 and Nvidia cards...

Rubini · 01-02-08, 09:33 AM

Hi mates,

Happy New Year for all !

I also put this post on Sh4 general forum to avoid miss any comment.

I just build a new PC: E6850, 8800GT512, GA-p35-ds3...plus Crysis and CD4...all this on a 26" wide LCd monitor...These new FPS games really rocks on this system

BTW, I had a ATi X800XTPE prior my new 8800GT/new PC: Ati image quality is really much better than nvidia for SH3/SH4! Seems that Nvidia have a cheat on all AA modes for things at great distance - the case of SH3/Sh4 - the AA (in any configuration) just don´t work well at great distant objects on Nvidia cards!!!

But for games that renders things relatively near the player the Nvidia image is also really great, like the FPS games.

I tried some search on the net about the problem and seems that this is an old nvidia issue, like discussed here:
http://www.simhq.com/forum/ubbthread...200966&fpart=1

Anyhow, someone knows a fix or tweak for this annoying Nvidia image quality behaviour on Sh3/Sh4?:hmm:

Thanks in any advice!

Ping Jockey · 01-02-08, 10:03 AM

The last time my Nvidia 7900/GS worked right was with driver 94.24. Am using 169.21 and both SH3 & Sh4 no longer run right ???? Is there a fix for this??? Dell 400-XPS Win XP MCE with 4G of RAM.

Rubini · 01-02-08, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ping Jockey

The last time my Nvidia 7900/GS worked right was with driver 94.24. Am using 169.21 and both SH3 & Sh4 no longer run right ???? Is there a fix for this??? Dell 400-XPS Win XP MCE.

What type of problem do you have with the new drivers? Also AA/shimmering problems?

Ping Jockey · 01-02-08, 03:18 PM

Any time I run AA I have trouble. The screen flickers and strange shapes appear. I run a default global setting and it's ok???

mikaelanderlund · 01-03-08, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubini

Hi mates,

Happy New Year for all !

I also put this post on Sh4 general forum to avoid miss any comment.

I just build a new PC: E6850, 8800GT512, GA-p35-ds3...plus Crysis and CD4...all this on a 26" wide LCd monitor...These new FPS games really rocks on this system

BTW, I had a ATi X800XTPE prior my new 8800GT/new PC: Ati image quality is really much better than nvidia for SH3/SH4! Seems that Nvidia have a cheat on all AA modes for things at great distance - the case of SH3/Sh4 - the AA (in any configuration) just don´t work well at great distant objects on Nvidia cards!!!

But for games that renders things relatively near the player the Nvidia image is also really great, like the FPS games.

I tried some search on the net about the problem and seems that this is an old nvidia issue, like discussed here:
http://www.simhq.com/forum/ubbthread...200966&fpart=1

Anyhow, someone knows a fix or tweak for this annoying Nvidia image quality behaviour on Sh3/Sh4?:hmm:

Thanks in any advice!

You can activat and deaktivate the AA in game by "shift Pageup and shift pagedown. During night patrol I deactivate AA to get rid of the shimmering problems and during day I activate the AA.

Mikael

Rubini · 01-03-08, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikaelanderlund

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubini

Hi mates,

Happy New Year for all !

I also put this post on Sh4 general forum to avoid miss any comment.

I just build a new PC: E6850, 8800GT512, GA-p35-ds3...plus Crysis and CD4...all this on a 26" wide LCd monitor...These new FPS games really rocks on this system

BTW, I had a ATi X800XTPE prior my new 8800GT/new PC: Ati image quality is really much better than nvidia for SH3/SH4! Seems that Nvidia have a cheat on all AA modes for things at great distance - the case of SH3/Sh4 - the AA (in any configuration) just don´t work well at great distant objects on Nvidia cards!!!

But for games that renders things relatively near the player the Nvidia image is also really great, like the FPS games.

I tried some search on the net about the problem and seems that this is an old nvidia issue, like discussed here:
http://www.simhq.com/forum/ubbthread...200966&fpart=1

Anyhow, someone knows a fix or tweak for this annoying Nvidia image quality behaviour on Sh3/Sh4?:hmm:

Thanks in any advice!

You can activat and deaktivate the AA in game by "shift Pageup and shift pagedown. During night patrol I deactivate AA to get rid of the shimmering problems and during day I activate the AA.

Mikael

Thanks for the tip Mikael!
Anyhow, who knows why Nvidia yet didn't fixed this bug??

I just yet didn't "test" my old Fligh Sims with my new rig...if they also look bad like Sh3 I will return to ATI cards ASAP. It's a pity, because probably this is only a driver matter....

FYI, yesterday, i tried Riva Tuner with all possible tweaks and the poor distant AA issue and shimmering textures are still there...

IrischKapitan · 01-03-08, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ping Jockey

Any time I run AA I have trouble. The screen flickers and strange shapes appear. I run a default global setting and it's ok???

Before I updated to the latest Nvidia driver that sort of thing happend so I found out by using ALT+TAB to minimise and maximise it again solved that problem.....

vodkavera · 01-03-08, 08:27 AM

I run my SH III with a GF 7900 GTX, Amd 4400+ Dualcore, 2gig ram.
Before that with GF 6800, Amd 3000+
I havent had any graphic problems since the the game came out.
The "Uzo" graphic bug was fixed with a patch if I remember right.

I had some problems last night, but I think that was just that time.
Restarted and everything was a ok again.

/VV

Koondawg · 01-03-08, 08:37 AM

I run an NV6600gt pcie 128mb and dont have any trouble out of it. The one thing I like is it has pre-settings for a lot of games already figured in.

She-Wolf · 01-03-08, 09:15 AM

I have two Geforce 7600 Gt in SLI configuration, and the only problem I found, once I had got Anisotropic Filtering and AA correctly configured ( I think!) is that the night-time clouds look as if they are daubed on like paint on scenery board.

current driver 6.14.11.6218

Rubini · 01-03-08, 02:30 PM

Yes, I also think that Nvidia cards are great and will work well with a lot of games. But for games that have distant objects being rendered as in Fligh sims and for our wonderful Silent Hunter 3&4 the problems with AA and shimmering textures becomes to appear (shimmering textures is in truth visible in the majority of games).

Probably the guys that didn't noticed any problem never had a ATI card recently: the image quality is really very, very good on ATI cards. Like that much old 3dfx 5500.

Now, after have the two cards, ATI and Nvidia - I also had the old 3dfx 5500

- I can say this with reason.

Well, perhaps Nvidia will fix this issue in a new driver soon??

Nicolas · 01-03-08, 02:56 PM

I heard that playstation 3 (have you looked those graphics!!) have Nvidia special cards

.

Ping Jockey · 01-03-08, 04:36 PM

Wow!! Now there's an old name from the '90's Voodoo 3DFX

Rubini · 01-03-08, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicolas

I heard that playstation 3 (have you looked those graphics!!) have Nvidia special cards

.

Yeah! They are beautiful!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ping Jockey

Wow!! Now there's an old name from the '90's Voodoo 3DFX

I had Voodoo 1, 2, 3 and the 5 5500!

After that, the revolutionary R9700, followed by the X800XTPE and now the 8800GT 512. The worst image quality? Humm, Humm... It´s a pity, because probably is just a drive matter! (i´m yet not conformed

)

Rubini · 01-03-08, 09:36 PM

Our friend Periscope (from SH4 forum) suggested nHancer tweak as a probable solution and he was right: nHancer solved the problem and save my day!
Yeah, Nvidia also can show the same image quality present on ATI cards: it´s the most obvious supersampling (SS) AA modes that are hide on the Nvidia drives!

This will bring some FPS hit (from 20 to 60%, depends on the SS AA mode that you will use - and nHancer provides a lot of them) but for these new cards and rigs this isn´t a real issue. I also didn´t test these new settings with others old sims but the result shall be the same good one. And after all, i become to think if new Nvidia cards have really more FPS than new ATi cards with AA enabled or are just only cheats???

I will try to write a special guide for Nvidia&SH games&ImageQuality using nHancer and will post here.

Thanks again Periscope!

01-02-08, 09:33 AM	#1
Rubini Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: São Paulo Brazil Posts: 2,728 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 0	SH3/SH4 and Nvidia cards... Hi mates, Happy New Year for all ! I also put this post on Sh4 general forum to avoid miss any comment. I just build a new PC: E6850, 8800GT512, GA-p35-ds3...plus Crysis and CD4...all this on a 26" wide LCd monitor...These new FPS games really rocks on this system BTW, I had a ATi X800XTPE prior my new 8800GT/new PC: Ati image quality is really much better than nvidia for SH3/SH4! Seems that Nvidia have a cheat on all AA modes for things at great distance - the case of SH3/Sh4 - the AA (in any configuration) just don´t work well at great distant objects on Nvidia cards!!! But for games that renders things relatively near the player the Nvidia image is also really great, like the FPS games. I tried some search on the net about the problem and seems that this is an old nvidia issue, like discussed here: http://www.simhq.com/forum/ubbthread...200966&fpart=1 Anyhow, someone knows a fix or tweak for this annoying Nvidia image quality behaviour on Sh3/Sh4?:hmm: Thanks in any advice! __________________ One gamer's must-have mod is another gamer's waste of time. -Sailor Steve

01-02-08, 10:03 AM	#2
Ping Jockey Medic Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Arizona, USA Posts: 159 Downloads: 294 Uploads: 0	The last time my Nvidia 7900/GS worked right was with driver 94.24. Am using 169.21 and both SH3 & Sh4 no longer run right ???? Is there a fix for this??? Dell 400-XPS Win XP MCE with 4G of RAM. __________________ I joined the U S Navy in 1964. Saw the world and a lot more. Last edited by Ping Jockey; 01-03-08 at 11:16 AM.

01-02-08, 03:18 PM	#4
Ping Jockey Medic Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Arizona, USA Posts: 159 Downloads: 294 Uploads: 0	Any time I run AA I have trouble. The screen flickers and strange shapes appear. I run a default global setting and it's ok??? __________________ I joined the U S Navy in 1964. Saw the world and a lot more.

01-03-08, 08:27 AM	#8
vodkavera Planesman Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 195 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I run my SH III with a GF 7900 GTX, Amd 4400+ Dualcore, 2gig ram. Before that with GF 6800, Amd 3000+ I havent had any graphic problems since the the game came out. The "Uzo" graphic bug was fixed with a patch if I remember right. I had some problems last night, but I think that was just that time. Restarted and everything was a ok again. /VV __________________ I sink (ships), therefore I am! ------------------------------------- Acer Aspire - Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T6600 nVIDIA GeForce GT 240M 1 024 MB 4 GB RAM

01-03-08, 09:15 AM	#10
She-Wolf Watchdog Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hampshire UK Posts: 971 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	I have two Geforce 7600 Gt in SLI configuration, and the only problem I found, once I had got Anisotropic Filtering and AA correctly configured ( I think!) is that the night-time clouds look as if they are daubed on like paint on scenery board. current driver 6.14.11.6218 __________________

01-03-08, 08:37 AM	#9
Koondawg Grey Wolf Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Pasadena, Ca Posts: 852 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I run an NV6600gt pcie 128mb and dont have any trouble out of it. The one thing I like is it has pre-settings for a lot of games already figured in.

01-03-08, 02:30 PM	#11
Rubini Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: São Paulo Brazil Posts: 2,728 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 0	Yes, I also think that Nvidia cards are great and will work well with a lot of games. But for games that have distant objects being rendered as in Fligh sims and for our wonderful Silent Hunter 3&4 the problems with AA and shimmering textures becomes to appear (shimmering textures is in truth visible in the majority of games). Probably the guys that didn't noticed any problem never had a ATI card recently: the image quality is really very, very good on ATI cards. Like that much old 3dfx 5500. Now, after have the two cards, ATI and Nvidia - I also had the old 3dfx 5500 - I can say this with reason. Well, perhaps Nvidia will fix this issue in a new driver soon?? __________________ One gamer's must-have mod is another gamer's waste of time. -Sailor Steve

01-03-08, 02:56 PM	#12
Nicolas Commander Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Uruguay Posts: 453 Downloads: 196 Uploads: 4	I heard that playstation 3 (have you looked those graphics!!) have Nvidia special cards .

01-03-08, 04:36 PM	#13
Ping Jockey Medic Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Arizona, USA Posts: 159 Downloads: 294 Uploads: 0	Wow!! Now there's an old name from the '90's Voodoo 3DFX __________________ I joined the U S Navy in 1964. Saw the world and a lot more.

01-03-08, 09:36 PM	#15
Rubini Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: São Paulo Brazil Posts: 2,728 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 0	Our friend Periscope (from SH4 forum) suggested nHancer tweak as a probable solution and he was right: nHancer solved the problem and save my day! Yeah, Nvidia also can show the same image quality present on ATI cards: it´s the most obvious supersampling (SS) AA modes that are hide on the Nvidia drives! This will bring some FPS hit (from 20 to 60%, depends on the SS AA mode that you will use - and nHancer provides a lot of them) but for these new cards and rigs this isn´t a real issue. I also didn´t test these new settings with others old sims but the result shall be the same good one. And after all, i become to think if new Nvidia cards have really more FPS than new ATi cards with AA enabled or are just only cheats??? I will try to write a special guide for Nvidia&SH games&ImageQuality using nHancer and will post here. Thanks again Periscope! __________________ One gamer's must-have mod is another gamer's waste of time. -Sailor Steve Last edited by Rubini; 01-04-08 at 06:32 AM.