Insomnia

[HunterICX]

I had a unhealthy situation of getting into sleep,

worrying about stuff, thinking to much and cant stop with it, getting out of bed to check things like books ''are they in the right place?''

it tired me very much , is was hard to stay awake during the day.
eventually it turned me sick.
then like what chock mention I got myself soft New age and instrumental music
always a piano, dont know why, but it always touched me deeply.
changed my thinking and worrying for dreamy thoughts...
and eventually I fall asleep and wake up the next morning.

dont really need the music or dreamy thoughts anymore but it defintly helped me back in those days

HunterICX

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Letum

It's not the sort of insomnia produced by stress, gloom or anxiety either.
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I just cant turn off my mind.
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It's not that I'm not relaxed, it's just that when I am relaxed, I think.

That's almost classic!

Maybe your ordinary life is such that it does not leave you too much room for yourself, your thoughts, wishes, etc. Work keeps you running, family keeps you busy, you rotate from 8 am to 10 pm. Something like that. It could become an exhausting nevertheless adapted routine. And then the worst case happens: holidays! no more work, nothingthat leeps you spinning! the engine stutters, slowly comes to standstill. Horror! for the firts time since weeks and months you become aware again of yourself, not just beeing aware of your functioning in the job's context. what to do now, all these thoughts! Maybe you know this püerception phenomenon: you are rding by train, and the train enters a staion and comes to a standstill - for some seconds you nevertheless may have the feeling that it is still moving on.

You see where I am pointing. the state or relaxation is what allows you to become aware of your thoughs and wishes, maybe for a first time after a linger period. The unusual sensation of this is what keeps your mind spinning, then. This ohenomenon also is known with older people who leave job activity due to their age. Sometimes they can even become depressive.

I would not recommend to use drugs of any kind as long as your daily routines and actions do not suffer from your "insomnia". You sound as what you experience is pretty much a natural thing. If you do not need sleep, well, then don't try to sleep with determination. that simple!

but if you are tired but still cannot sleep, try paradox internvention: don't try to sleep, but TRY TO STAY AWAKE. One cannot try to sleep, it's almost a guarantee that you will not sleep.

Occasionally I meditate (not half as often as I would like, must make more time for it). And I can empty my thoughts then, but it requires concentration that prohibits sleep.

first: regularity is what counts, choose a timeframe and length wehre you have no exycuse anymore not do practce meditation.
second: talking by own experience, I would say your decreased need for sleep is pretty much normal if you meditate regularly. It is not different for me. Remember, physically, your body does in no way need the mind'S state of being asleep to regenerate: physical rest, not using your muscles, is absolutely enough. It is your brain and mind that depends on sleep to regenerate. But when meditating, your mind also regenerates, just in a different manner than when sleeping (if you find yourself falling off your seat cushion then that difference is no more ), and some would even say in a more efficient manner. we know of Yogis who haven't slept for years.

If your brain is running lull, it is less stressed, and if being offered the state of meditating, it needs less regeneration by sleeping and dreaming. It starts pushing the gas pedal with your gears not switched away from neutral. That way you have lots of noise, without going anywhere. The implication is that the way you meditate makes it a meditation that does not carry over in effect to your regular life, but is limited to the timeframe when your meditation is practiced. That is not what it is about...! You mentioned concentration, without going into detail. that sounds like object-related meditation. That is okay, but it needs supplementation by what is called attentive meditation (Achtsamkeits-Meditation, Einsichts-Meditation). You need both. Do you know the theoretical difference between Shamata and Vipassana?

Rethink the drugs. As you describe it, I can't see a need for them.

[TarJak]

Look into my eyes...look into my eyes...you are getting sleepy...
Look into my eyes, not around the eyes, into the eyes. You're under.

[STEED]

@Letum

Advice from my mate is this..............

Have wall to wall sex with the wife, that should shag you out.

Worked for him.

[FIREWALL]

If all the above posts don't work and I would try STEEDS TWICE before giveing up.

Read something boreing like an insurance policy or simular.

And still if none of that works watch Late Nite with ROSIE O'DONNEL

If that doesn't scare you wide awake nuttin will. Then being awake 2 days will help you maybe sleep.

Hope you can get some rest. Been there and it's not fun.

[baggygreen]

Given my job in a past life was a dispensary tech and patient counsellor in a pharmacy, can i say *dont* go the route of benadryl et al??

Give something natural a crack first, ie valerian. extremely effective i've found.