Bismarck, Yamato or Arizona - Page 4

Jimbuna · 12-28-07, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Calling Warspite the greates belies the fact that one of her sisters, HMS Barham, was sunk by only three torpedoes from U-331. That Warspite survived more battles and recieved more awards than any other battleship attests mostly to crew quality and luck.

How would Warspite have fared in a one-on-one battle with any of the other ships listed?

That's the million dollar question :hmm:

Mush Martin · 12-28-07, 02:21 PM

She'd have kicked arizona's a$$ wheres my million.
Luck is a strong mitigating factor in the history
of succesful Warships.

Jimbuna · 12-28-07, 02:47 PM

LMAO

Wulfmann · 12-28-07, 06:45 PM

The truly great ships were great because of their deeds.

Warspite, Bismarck, Scharnhorst, Houston/Perth, Cossack, Norfolk, Adrias, Penelope, Derrflinger and Seydlitz and others all earned their reputation for what they did not their technical read outs no matter how impressive some of those have been.
Great ships by their newer equipment, often improved because of the deeds of earlier ships had the bad luck of showing up after the show as over.
The Iowa class was the all around best battleship but when commissioned the battleship no longer played the center stage role nor were they the deciding factor in the war's outcome just helpers to those that now were.
The Bismarck battle was crucial because it could have changed the course of the war but in 44 no such possibility existed for any battleship no matter how "super".

Wulfmann

linerkiller · 12-29-07, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wulfmann

The truly great ships were great because of their deeds.

Warspite, Bismarck, Scharnhorst, Houston/Perth, Cossack, Norfolk, Adrias, Penelope, Derrflinger and Seydlitz and others all earned their reputation for what they did not their technical read outs no matter how impressive some of those have been.
Great ships by their newer equipment, often improved because of the deeds of earlier ships had the bad luck of showing up after the show as over.
The Iowa class was the all around best battleship but when commissioned the battleship no longer played the center stage role nor were they the deciding factor in the war's outcome just helpers to those that now were.
The Bismarck battle was crucial because it could have changed the course of the war but in 44 no such possibility existed for any battleship no matter how "super".

Wulfmann

100% right

....Personally I care very much about the esthetical profile of a ship, you can call me a feticist

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some drawings/photos of my favourite girl

: (sorry for the big images)

She took a lot of kicks, but she came back

mrbeast · 12-29-07, 10:45 AM

.......And in the British corner we have HMS Warspite......

The image at bottom right shows her beached while on her way to the breakers, the old girl wouldn't go down without a fight!

BTW cool pictures linerkiller.

linerkiller · 12-29-07, 11:27 AM

Find them and more other here:
http://german-navy.tripod.com/

Jimbuna · 12-29-07, 02:20 PM

http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/warspite.htm

http://www.maritimequest.com/warship...s_warspite.htm

Biggles · 12-29-07, 03:38 PM

USS Missouri.

Famous for, as an example, the fact that the unconditional surrender of the Japanese Empire to the Allied Forces was signed onboard the Missouri.

Jimbuna · 12-29-07, 03:58 PM

Surrender photos

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/e...ansur/js-8.htm

Wulfmann · 12-29-07, 07:48 PM

Great post with positive thought of favorite ships all deserving of them and their brave crews.

While I would like to agree on USS Missouri considering my Uncle served on her from before commissioning until his discharge and he met my aunt to whom he was married for over 50 years when the Mighty Mo went from port to port showing off the plaque the truth is that great ship served as an escort and shore-bombarder and even her glory of the surrender was a bit unfair as Whiskey (USS Wisconsin) was in the bay for a week but Truman insisted his home state's ship be the one that got that honor.

When Mo entered the war the battleship was no longer "the" ship. That ended with a torpedo in the stern of Bismarck and the sinking of the HMS Prince of Wales and Repulse.
The seas were no longer to be ruled "on" the seas but above and below the water.

Can one look at Derrflinger, put stack covers, enclose the mast and add an Atlantic bow and wow what a beautiful ship we would have. Trunk the exhaust into one stack and poof, Scharnhorst and/or Bismarck, close enough

Wulfmann

linerkiller · 12-30-07, 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wulfmann

Can one look at Derrflinger, put stack covers, enclose the mast and add an Atlantic bow and wow what a beautiful ship we would have. Trunk the exhaust into one stack and poof, Scharnhorst and/or Bismarck, close enough

Wulfmann

Very accurate observation Wulfmann

Actually, the Scharnhorst class was based on the WW1 plans of the 32000-ton battlecruiser Mackensen, which was never completed. Only differences were the "cruiser" stern, the planned two funnels trunked into one, a more massive tower and, lately, a clipper bow... The mackensen was in fact an improved derfflinger, bigger, slightly faster, and with 355mm guns

The next projected step, the Yorck class armed with eight 15 inch guns

In the end, they were only bigger copies of the Derfy

Zakalwe · 12-30-07, 06:34 AM

Hi,

as we are getting a little into WWI, maybe someone is interested in "Jutland" which is soon to be out.

http://www.stormeaglestudios.com/pub...e_Jutland.html

The graphics aren`t as glorious as in SH3, but it`s ok.

I already have the earlier title from SES, "Distant Guns", which deals with the Russo-Japanese war at sea in 1904/05. Interesting for us Sub-simmers, is the goal of the campaign as the Russian player, you have to disrupt the re-supply through sinking or capturing as many merchants as possible, this is the only way to halt the Japanese ground attack. Unlike in SH3 your efforts at sea really decide the war.

DG for sure is the best Navy RTS since the "Fighting Steel" series from SSI. A free Demo download is available, but here you are only able to play a single scenario, the game really shines in the campaign. What one has to get used to is the short ranges these battles where fought, effective gun range begins only at around 3 km.

Greets

Z.

PS.: Some of my favourite screenshots from DG:

My Armoured cruisers hunting down some unlucky light cruisers:

Admiral Togo`s fleet

My heavy metal (three Battleships and two Armoured Cruisers) in heavy weather, notice the smoke is blown ahaed of the ships)

Into the sun:

mrbeast · 12-30-07, 07:12 AM

JUTLAND!!!!!

How in the universe did I miss that in dev!

Very cool can't wait togive that a spin when its released

Zakalwe · 12-30-07, 10:45 AM

yup,

sometimes I think marketing isn`t very well done by SES. Even their own website is dead for months at times, so you could come to the conclusion the project is dead.

btw. never realized that Warspite and sisters once had two funnels....

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12-28-07, 02:21 PM	#47
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	She'd have kicked arizona's a$$ wheres my million. Luck is a strong mitigating factor in the history of succesful Warships. __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

12-28-07, 02:47 PM	#48
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,712 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	LMAO __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-28-07, 06:45 PM	#49
Wulfmann Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,010 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	The truly great ships were great because of their deeds. Warspite, Bismarck, Scharnhorst, Houston/Perth, Cossack, Norfolk, Adrias, Penelope, Derrflinger and Seydlitz and others all earned their reputation for what they did not their technical read outs no matter how impressive some of those have been. Great ships by their newer equipment, often improved because of the deeds of earlier ships had the bad luck of showing up after the show as over. The Iowa class was the all around best battleship but when commissioned the battleship no longer played the center stage role nor were they the deciding factor in the war's outcome just helpers to those that now were. The Bismarck battle was crucial because it could have changed the course of the war but in 44 no such possibility existed for any battleship no matter how "super". Wulfmann __________________ "The right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed upon, if only to prevent tyranny in government" Thomas Jefferson,; Constitutional debates

12-29-07, 10:45 AM	#51
mrbeast Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bolton, UK Posts: 1,236 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	.......And in the British corner we have HMS Warspite...... The image at bottom right shows her beached while on her way to the breakers, the old girl wouldn't go down without a fight! BTW cool pictures linerkiller. __________________

12-29-07, 11:27 AM	#52
linerkiller Captain Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Modena,Italy Posts: 486 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Find them and more other here: http://german-navy.tripod.com/ __________________ "A hard drill makes an easy battle" Alexander V. Suvorov "When we realized that our clubbing and kickings were being administered by the burned, mutilated survivors of our handiwork, we found we could take it with less prejudice." Captain Richard "Dick" O'Kane-USS Tang http://www.youtube.com/user/willembrock

12-29-07, 02:20 PM	#53
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,712 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/warspite.htm http://www.maritimequest.com/warship...s_warspite.htm __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-29-07, 03:38 PM	#54
Biggles Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sweden (I'm not a Viking...) Posts: 3,529 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	USS Missouri. Famous for, as an example, the fact that the unconditional surrender of the Japanese Empire to the Allied Forces was signed onboard the Missouri. __________________

12-29-07, 03:58 PM	#55
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,712 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Surrender photos http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/e...ansur/js-8.htm __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-29-07, 07:48 PM	#56
Wulfmann Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,010 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Great post with positive thought of favorite ships all deserving of them and their brave crews. While I would like to agree on USS Missouri considering my Uncle served on her from before commissioning until his discharge and he met my aunt to whom he was married for over 50 years when the Mighty Mo went from port to port showing off the plaque the truth is that great ship served as an escort and shore-bombarder and even her glory of the surrender was a bit unfair as Whiskey (USS Wisconsin) was in the bay for a week but Truman insisted his home state's ship be the one that got that honor. When Mo entered the war the battleship was no longer "the" ship. That ended with a torpedo in the stern of Bismarck and the sinking of the HMS Prince of Wales and Repulse. The seas were no longer to be ruled "on" the seas but above and below the water. Can one look at Derrflinger, put stack covers, enclose the mast and add an Atlantic bow and wow what a beautiful ship we would have. Trunk the exhaust into one stack and poof, Scharnhorst and/or Bismarck, close enough Wulfmann __________________ "The right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed upon, if only to prevent tyranny in government" Thomas Jefferson,; Constitutional debates

12-30-07, 06:34 AM	#58
Zakalwe Torpedoman Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Eckernförde, S-H, Germany Posts: 113 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Hi, as we are getting a little into WWI, maybe someone is interested in "Jutland" which is soon to be out. http://www.stormeaglestudios.com/pub...e_Jutland.html The graphics aren`t as glorious as in SH3, but it`s ok. I already have the earlier title from SES, "Distant Guns", which deals with the Russo-Japanese war at sea in 1904/05. Interesting for us Sub-simmers, is the goal of the campaign as the Russian player, you have to disrupt the re-supply through sinking or capturing as many merchants as possible, this is the only way to halt the Japanese ground attack. Unlike in SH3 your efforts at sea really decide the war. DG for sure is the best Navy RTS since the "Fighting Steel" series from SSI. A free Demo download is available, but here you are only able to play a single scenario, the game really shines in the campaign. What one has to get used to is the short ranges these battles where fought, effective gun range begins only at around 3 km. Greets Z. PS.: Some of my favourite screenshots from DG: My Armoured cruisers hunting down some unlucky light cruisers: Admiral Togo`s fleet My heavy metal (three Battleships and two Armoured Cruisers) in heavy weather, notice the smoke is blown ahaed of the ships) Into the sun:

12-30-07, 07:12 AM	#59
mrbeast Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bolton, UK Posts: 1,236 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	JUTLAND!!!!! How in the universe did I miss that in dev! Very cool can't wait togive that a spin when its released __________________

12-30-07, 10:45 AM	#60
Zakalwe Torpedoman Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Eckernförde, S-H, Germany Posts: 113 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	yup, sometimes I think marketing isn`t very well done by SES. Even their own website is dead for months at times, so you could come to the conclusion the project is dead. btw. never realized that Warspite and sisters once had two funnels....