Clinton responsible for Warrantless Wiretapping?

[Zachstar]

Im moderate. Middle not left

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Im moderate. Middle not left

Yeah....me too.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Nice. Program has been in place during the 1990's.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/16/wa...=1&oref=slogin

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12...apping_latest/

-S

The fuss is the level of expansion under Bush. If you going to run a bash Clinton thread at least say the whole thing. It's no revelation either, back then the Republicans tried blocking. It made the news enough. Blame it all on Clinton. Lied about a blow job too. Now thats a real serious issue that deserves attention.

[August]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Lied about a blow job too. Now thats a real serious issue that deserves attention.

That's an all too common attitude among Democrats. Lying is ok as long as its your man doing it right?

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by August

That's an all too common attitude among Democrats. Lying is ok as long as its your man doing it right?

Well, it seems that mountains can be made out of blowjob-shaped molehills, regardless of party affiliation.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

The fuss is the level of expansion under Bush. If you going to run a bash Clinton thread at least say the whole thing. It's no revelation either, back then the Republicans tried blocking. It made the news enough. Blame it all on Clinton. Lied about a blow job too. Now thats a real serious issue that deserves attention.

Yes. Lying under Oath.....Perjury is a serious matter that deserves a tremendous amount of attention. The Senate should have taken impeachment the whole way. The Lie being told under oath is utterly irrelevant.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Yes. Lying under Oath.....Perjury is a serious matter that deserves a tremendous amount of attention. The Senate should have taken impeachment the whole way. The Lie being told under oath is utterly irrelevant.

Don't you realize that stuff only counts when Repubicans do it?

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by August

Repubicans

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[August]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

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Ooops I forgot the L. What would I have done without you to point that out Tchocky?

[NEON DEON]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Yes. Lying under Oath.....Perjury is a serious matter that deserves a tremendous amount of attention. The Senate should have taken impeachment the whole way. The Lie being told under oath is utterly irrelevant.

They did take is serious. Unfortunately for the Repubicans the charge was defeated 45 to 55 and Clinton was never found guilty of perjury. Sorry about that.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by NEON DEON

They did take is serious. Unfortunately for the Repubicans the charge was defeated 45 to 55 and Clinton was never found guilty of perjury. Sorry about that.

Clinton was barely acquitted in the Senate. He was found guilty in the House before it went to the Senate, and was duly impeached in the House. That is forever logged in the House of Rep's records. Read Clinton's words below for yourself after all of the proceedings:

http://www.eagleton.rutgers.edu/e-go...tonimpeach.htm

He sounds pretty resigned, acknowledges wrongdoing, and was pretty much disgraced as a President from that point on. Oh yeah, and he was disbarred. Sorry about that.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by August

That's an all too common attitude among Democrats. Lying is ok as long as its your man doing it right?

I believe in putting things in perspective. Who's business is it to anybody but Hillary's? Congress sure as hell didn't need to know. How many millions was spent on that? What was the danger to national security? The running of this country came to a near standstill because congress wanted to know if Clinton was getting it on with some woman. You think thats the roll of goverment? No wonder we are so screwed up as a nation.

[NEON DEON]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Clinton was barely acquitted in the Senate. He was found guilty in the House before it went to the Senate, and was duly impeached in the House. That is forever logged in the House of Rep's records. Read Clinton's words below for yourself after all of the proceedings:

http://www.eagleton.rutgers.edu/e-go...tonimpeach.htm

He sounds pretty resigned, acknowledges wrongdoing, and was pretty much disgraced as a President from that point on. Oh yeah, and he was disbarred. Sorry about that.

First off it takes 2/3s in the Senate which means barely would be 66 to 34. Barely in your mind is quite interesting. You want to see someone almost get knocked out of office then go back to Andrew Johnson. Now that was barely :p

Second the Congress does not and can not put the President on trial they vote for impeachment only. The trial is in the senate.

So---- No the House did not find Clinton Guilty.

No where in Clinton's apology did he say he committed perjury. Maybee you should read it again.


This time use Webster's Dictionary as opposed to SeaDeamons. :p

[August]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

I believe in putting things in perspective. Who's business is it to anybody but Hillary's? Congress sure as hell didn't need to know. How many millions was spent on that? What was the danger to national security? The running of this country came to a near standstill because congress wanted to know if Clinton was getting it on with some woman. You think thats the roll of goverment? No wonder we are so screwed up as a nation.

Nobody in Congress cared a hoot about him cheating on Hillary. They felt for some reason that Clinton lying, under oath, in a court of law, constituted obstruction of justice and perjury, both impeachable offenses. Ultimately they let him off the hook for political reasons even though it was pretty clear he had done exactly that.

The usual political obfuscations are one thing ,but in my book the President of our country is supposed to be trustworthy and lying under oath, REGARDLESS of the subject, is just not acceptable. It's pretty clear that the man was/is a sexual predator and i find the Democrats willingness to ignore that fact just because he's one of their own to be hypocritical.

[Zachstar]

My god yet another round of Clinton lied and nobody died disscussion.

Clinton was not found guilty. END OF STORY Newsflash: He is no longer the president.

Can we move on to the other parts?