Take one minute to think about this

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by August

My first thought is if the athiests had their way and gotten all nativity scenes banned that old guy would likely have frozen to death....

I think he's used to sleeping rough, one night without borrowed robes won't kill him. Or then again, it might. Whatever way we look at it, it's the secular-progressives who wanted him dead. Dead at Christmas.

[Skybird]

the little girl in this fairy-tale http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Match_Girl
was forbidden to lighten even a single match she was told to sell on the street in deep cold winter. Since she nevertheless did in despair, her death serves her well - I must conclude from some of the poor comments above.

The next day, pedestrians finding her were very sorry before turning away and moving on. - the proud uprightness of citizens considering themselves to be pillars of community. just that they did not nee matches the day before - sorry girl, bad luck, nothing personal.

A law that does not allow to see beyond the mere letters of it, is no law, but the worst and most inhumane tyranny ever summoned upon mankind. I think some of you guys - thankfully not all - missed the basic point the original report was about. and if you can't figure it out yourself, it will be your loss - but explaining to you would be a waste of time. Answers are worthless if people do not see the questions before. Moralists have been the most hard-heartened and inhumane people throughout history, because they consider themselves to be without guilt indeed, and thus think they earned the right to throw the first stone. Such people can become the most inhumane and brutal, all in the name of the letter of the law, and calling that justice. But the head needs the heart, and where the heart is missing, law replaces justice, and penalty is spoken not in the name of justice - but for your own sensational satisfaction.

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and August,

Originally Posted by August

My first thought is if the athiests had their way and gotten all nativity scenes banned that old guy would likely have frozen to death....

I still wait to meet the first Buddhist demanding the end of christmas celebrations. I also still wait to meet the first non-Buddhist atheist demanding that our children must be protected from the terrible danger of christmas time. the stress, the hype, the business-making - what was it with Jesus kicking the traders and money-changers out of the temple? It certainly would be nice if that hysteric commerce party gets reduced to reasonable levels again. I am working in a warehouse - I have seen the madness from close range for weeks now, again. It has nothing to do with the original idea of christmas for those seeing a religious meaning in it, and it also has nothing to do with the meaning of families moving together and visiting friends and the kids having a time of promises and wonders. It is buy-buy-buy, and that's it. It's digging for gold only, profit hunting. And from year to year it becomes more anti-religious, more profane, more kitschig, more hectic, more hysteric. So tell me, in how far is the christmas time of the world you defend ideologically, so superior to atheism? why don't you lament against the excessive consumming and the commerce and business perverting the meaning of christmas, instead of sidekicking against people you do not understand, do not wish to understand, and that do raise no hand to end christmas at all - becasue by the inner nature of atheism, they do not care for the religious meaning of religious festivities?

And still you said: "the" atheists...? "their" will...? You are not trying to contribute to a Feindbild standing for an enemy you do not know much about, don't you, and whom you only attack because he does not share your precious belief dogmas and points you to your own inner contradictions and deficits...

Or is it maybe just me that makes you snapping, like a dog snaps for a bone almost by unconditioned reflex... No-no, can't be...

[SUBMAN1]

Probably the most pathetic statment I have read yet from Skybird. All i see is atheist demanding that Christmas be canceled. Yet, one Atheist pretends this is not happening.

Skybirds fantasy land continues.

-S

[CCIP]

Ay carumba. I'm enjoying this Skybird thread more than I could be. Sometimes I'm sad people don't really read Skybird's posts, but I'm often even more sad reading them myself.

Seriously, first the Russians, now Atheists. Someone LOVES dreaming up enemies, cause for some reason you just need to have them all around. :hmm:

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by CCIP

Ay carumba. I'm enjoying this Skybird thread more than I could be. Sometimes I'm sad people don't really read Skybird's posts, but I'm often even more sad reading them myself.

Seriously, first the Russians, now Atheists. Someone LOVES dreaming up enemies, cause for some reason you just need to have them all around. :hmm:

Hmm, I wish I made this stuff up, but Google is your friend. See how many attacks there are on Christmas.

While you're at it, want not search on bomber flights from Russia to US territory.

Better yet, quit burying your head in the sand.

-S

[Chock]

So where are we up to now? the US is preventing the Russians from overflying the little match girl because they think she might steal a coat because of her war on Cold, and they've picked up some angels on radar, no wait a minute, erm no that's not right..

Chock

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by CCIP

Ay carumba. I'm enjoying this Skybird thread more than I could be. Sometimes I'm sad people don't really read Skybird's posts, but I'm often even more sad reading them myself.

Seriously, first the Russians, now Atheists. Someone LOVES dreaming up enemies, cause for some reason you just need to have them all around. :hmm:

It's because being confused of one's own identity. If you do not know who you are, you must define yourself by defining whom you not are. This then works as a negative that provides you with a positive of what you think you are. And this then coagulates into a dogma of your identity that lets you be without understandinf or the other, and lets's you fight against him most determined - but still not knowing whom you really are. where you feel the vaccum inside of you, you fill and cover it up with fantasies that turn into dogmas. the more dogmatic you are, the more virtuous you are. the more more virtuous you are, the more just you are.

The less you know about yourself - the more virtuous you are...? :hmm: Justice - without knowing man - neither the other, nor yourself...?:hmm:

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Probably the most pathetic statment I have read yet from Skybird. All i see is atheist demanding that Christmas be canceled. Yet, one Atheist pretends this is not happening.

That is because you think you can see in all directions simultaneoulsy with your million-lensed facette eyes - but only one lens operating. Careful - wall ahead!

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Probably the most pathetic statment I have read yet from Skybird. All i see is atheist demanding that Christmas be canceled. Yet, one Atheist pretends this is not happening.

Skybirds fantasy land continues.

-S

There's more than one statement in his post, that should be rather obvious.
There's only one in yours, though.

Regardless of subject matter or personal opinions, shouting down well-considered and thoughtful posts with "pathetic...fantasy land" isn't very constructive.
Neither is Avon's tactic of crying that someone has their head in the sand.
I quite regret my first post now.

[SUBMAN1]

Uhmm excuse me? Show me proof otherise? It is easy to find the opposite, but hard to say it is not happening.

And trust me Skybird, I have an identity, and I know Who I am. Unlike you, that flip flop on issues to push some agenda through. You must look in the mirror my friend.

-S

[mrbeast]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Probably the most pathetic statment I have read yet from Skybird. All i see is atheist demanding that Christmas be canceled. Yet, one Atheist pretends this is not happening.

Skybirds fantasy land continues.

-S

Its funny SUBMAN, but I have never seen any serious attempt, by this mysterious atheist axis that you keep mentioning, to ban Christmas. All I can see is your reactionalry responses to anything that doesn't fit with your narrow world view.

Also suggesting that freezing vagrants be gunned down for trying to keep warm is not what I would call a very Christian attitude.

[Chock]

I think it's outrageous that anyone would suggest shooting someone for taking a coat from a nativity display to keep warm. Everyone knows it would be far more cost effective to simply place land mines around it.

That one was for the benefit of those who see a star rising in the East and automatically assume it's a Tu-95 coming over the horizon:rotfl:

Chock

[Chock]

the meditation groups I ran for several years, all in all around 300 people, plus/minus 50, I assume. The one thing I really demanded was a certain kind of dicispline

I can just see that: 'On the command three, you WILL relax! One, two... wait for it... wait for it! I DEMAND DISCIPLINE! THREEEEEEE!':rotfl:



Sorry Skybird, I'm only joking, it just put that picture in my head the way you phrased it.

Chock

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Chock

I can just see that: 'On the command three, you WILL relax! One, two... wait for it... wait for it! I DEMAND DISCIPLINE! THREEEEEEE!':rotfl:



Sorry Skybird, I'm only joking, it just put that picture in my head the way you phrased it.

Chock

sure, I already figured that out. Maybe "dedicated attitude" to do the things with regularity would be a better description. but you probably got the idea anyway. Nothing is to be gained, but all is to be found. that cannot be actively acchieved, but only passively received. It's not so much about doing the right things, but giving up doing the wrong things. So, pressure and "disciplined working" is very much useless from the very beginning. You only can help to improve the circumstances, that way making it more likely, maybe, to let go your conditioned habits, and by that giving room to let "enlightenment" happen all by itself, which again is not acchieving something new and different, but only realising what always has been there already, never being different. But that already is a misleading, dualistic conception again, so you better do not wish for "enlightenment" at all. Language, thinking - always a trap. I should bite a piece of soap, probably.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Probably the most pathetic statment I have read yet from Skybird. All i see is atheist demanding that Christmas be canceled. Yet, one Atheist pretends this is not happening.

Skybirds fantasy land continues.

-S

Me and my family, 10 atheists, like christmas, no problem. Time to get together.
We have Sint Nicolaas here too, 5 december. Al atheist (61 % in the Netherlands) have a great time then, giving presents.