Sinking lifeboats?

ATR-42 · 12-09-07, 11:58 AM

You guys are going to have to correct me on the details here...

im sure most of you have read Silent Running, I recently finished it...

The Jack picked up a prisoner or two while on patrol. I was shocked when i read this. The captain was reluctant to pick up any more but the one or two that were on board were well fed and put to work. The author even noted they gained noticeable weight after enjoying the food! The crew put them to work polishing the brass in the forward torpedo rooom

. And again he noted that for the first time since commissioning you could eat off the torpedo room floors and brass.

He mentioned his sadness when they returned to port and they handed off the prisoners to the marines and how they were treated in the short time he could visually see them being walked off the plank.

LeafsFan · 12-09-07, 12:12 PM

I could do without the lifeboats as well.

HB

Ducimus · 12-10-07, 05:23 PM

All im going to add, is one incident of lifeboat shooting does not equal the multitude of worse offenses commited by the enemy at the time.

I think the whole war time attrocities/morton argument, is to somehow equate 1 or 2 instances to being the equivlant of 5 or 10 (or more) instances - most of which are much more horrfiic.

I don't understand the point behind the argument much. Is it to say we were all bad to make japan look better? To equate the US with Japan so we look that much more evil? To say one is no better then the other? 1 + 0 does not equal 10.

clayp · 12-10-07, 07:59 PM

My last word on the subject.....I WILL SHOOT THEM EVERY CHANCE i GET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Elder-Pirate · 12-10-07, 08:46 PM

I don't mind the life boats in SH4 but I do think the DEVs could have at least coded the Japanese ships to pick them up and not just sail off and leave them to drown.

Since you have one it needs the other.

Renesisfury · 12-10-07, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Elder-Pirate

I don't mind the life boats in SH4 but I do think the DEVs could have at least coded the Japanese ships to pick them up and not just sail off and leave them to drown.

Since you have one it needs the other.

Hey, more stationary targets? Sign me up!

Sailor Steve · 12-12-07, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Elder-Pirate

I don't mind the life boats in SH4 but I do think the DEVs could have at least coded the Japanese ships to pick them up and not just sail off and leave them to drown.

Since you have one it needs the other.

Actually, they shouldn't stop and pick them up. British convoys in the Atlantic had strict orders not to make themselves targets by stopping to take on survivors. After the battle the escorts would try to pick up survivors, but only if it was convenient.
http://www.junobeach.org/e/2/can-eve...-baddeck-e.htm
http://ahoy.tk-jk.net/macslog/German...ditGreate.html

Elder-Pirate · 12-12-07, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elder-Pirate

I don't mind the life boats in SH4 but I do think the DEVs could have at least coded the Japanese ships to pick them up and not just sail off and leave them to drown.

Since you have one it needs the other.

Actually, they shouldn't stop and pick them up. British convoys in the Atlantic had strict orders not to make themselves targets by stopping to take on survivors. After the battle the escorts would try to pick up survivors, but only if it was convenient.
http://www.junobeach.org/e/2/can-eve...-baddeck-e.htm
http://ahoy.tk-jk.net/macslog/German...ditGreate.html

Very good but in the Sim ( especially SH4 1.4 ) I've seen DD's following very slowly behind crippled ships ( that just would not sink

) and almost hit their guys in lifeboats and keep on going. This has happened twice and both times I was out of torps just watching slightly above the surface. I still think the DEVs could have coded it for them to be picked up even if it was a last chance deal.

12-09-07, 11:58 AM	#1
ATR-42 Commodore Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 606 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 6	the other side.... You guys are going to have to correct me on the details here... im sure most of you have read Silent Running, I recently finished it... The Jack picked up a prisoner or two while on patrol. I was shocked when i read this. The captain was reluctant to pick up any more but the one or two that were on board were well fed and put to work. The author even noted they gained noticeable weight after enjoying the food! The crew put them to work polishing the brass in the forward torpedo rooom . And again he noted that for the first time since commissioning you could eat off the torpedo room floors and brass. He mentioned his sadness when they returned to port and they handed off the prisoners to the marines and how they were treated in the short time he could visually see them being walked off the plank. __________________

12-10-07, 07:59 PM	#4
clayp The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,554 Downloads: 340 Uploads: 0	My last word on the subject.....I WILL SHOOT THEM EVERY CHANCE i GET!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ clayp

12-10-07, 08:46 PM	#5
Elder-Pirate Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Morris, Illinois USA Posts: 1,090 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	I don't mind the life boats in SH4 but I do think the DEVs could have at least coded the Japanese ships to pick them up and not just sail off and leave them to drown. Since you have one it needs the other. __________________

12-09-07, 12:12 PM	#2
LeafsFan Watch Officer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada Posts: 332 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I could do without the lifeboats as well. HB

12-10-07, 05:23 PM	#3
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	All im going to add, is one incident of lifeboat shooting does not equal the multitude of worse offenses commited by the enemy at the time. I think the whole war time attrocities/morton argument, is to somehow equate 1 or 2 instances to being the equivlant of 5 or 10 (or more) instances - most of which are much more horrfiic. I don't understand the point behind the argument much. Is it to say we were all bad to make japan look better? To equate the US with Japan so we look that much more evil? To say one is no better then the other? 1 + 0 does not equal 10.