Psycic Merchants - 1.4 or TM

Weigh-Man · 12-07-07, 09:31 AM

I did consider that, so I had a closer look.

I watched the ship approaching from about 8000 yards, It was running in a straight line and continued to do so until about 2000 yards, at which point it started what could only be described as evasive zig zagging.

It resembled the action that merchants take when they see the bubbles from a steam torpedo, but there where no torpedos anywhere near it.

I know taters campaign layers included in TM added more realistic course changes for ships, but this seems to be more than that.

Ducimus · 12-07-07, 10:50 AM

One possibility is that you were detected by a plane (which can see you below periscope depth), and it alerted the merchant to your presence. BTW, version 1.7.1 is old news.

tater · 12-07-07, 10:54 AM

Many japanese merchants had hydrophones in RL. Several do in SH4, as well, particularly later in the war.

tater · 12-07-07, 10:56 AM

Also, the reactive stuff you are seeing is really "constant helming." The slowly put the helm over, and then slowly bring it back and go the other way, they describe a shallow sine curve.

banjo · 12-08-07, 10:51 AM

No, I agree with Weigh. This happens to me all the time. No a/c, no way they could detect me, yet just before the get in range off they go in all directions. This after steaming a direct course for miles.
I always thought it was a TM problem until I read that post about merchants having sonar. If that it true, and if it is modeled in the game, that is a likely answer. I will pay attention in the future to see if this happens earlier in the war.

manucapo · 12-08-07, 11:42 AM

maybe let me just say something

just an idea because i have no idea of how the game works
but for example in falcon 40 AF dinamy campaing
things are more detail when they are inside your bubble of influence so as not to waste sistem

isnt it possible that the ships are getting inside your "BUBBLE" of influence
and thust their routes and movement become more detailed
because it would be kinda useless to render route patterns of ships that are 3000 miles away
i dont know just something that came to my mind

tater · 12-08-07, 12:03 PM

In this case they will start this behavior when they detect you.

You can elmintae their sensors, and they will steam along as if you were never there, even on the surface next to them.

tater

12-07-07, 09:31 AM	#1
Weigh-Man Machinist's Mate Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: UK Posts: 121 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	I did consider that, so I had a closer look. I watched the ship approaching from about 8000 yards, It was running in a straight line and continued to do so until about 2000 yards, at which point it started what could only be described as evasive zig zagging. It resembled the action that merchants take when they see the bubbles from a steam torpedo, but there where no torpedos anywhere near it. I know taters campaign layers included in TM added more realistic course changes for ships, but this seems to be more than that.

12-07-07, 10:50 AM	#2
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	One possibility is that you were detected by a plane (which can see you below periscope depth), and it alerted the merchant to your presence. BTW, version 1.7.1 is old news.

12-07-07, 10:54 AM	#3
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Many japanese merchants had hydrophones in RL. Several do in SH4, as well, particularly later in the war.

12-07-07, 10:56 AM	#4
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Also, the reactive stuff you are seeing is really "constant helming." The slowly put the helm over, and then slowly bring it back and go the other way, they describe a shallow sine curve.

12-08-07, 10:51 AM	#5
banjo Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 762 Downloads: 55 Uploads: 0	No, I agree with Weigh. This happens to me all the time. No a/c, no way they could detect me, yet just before the get in range off they go in all directions. This after steaming a direct course for miles. I always thought it was a TM problem until I read that post about merchants having sonar. If that it true, and if it is modeled in the game, that is a likely answer. I will pay attention in the future to see if this happens earlier in the war.

12-08-07, 11:42 AM	#6
manucapo Gunner Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 100 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	maybe let me just say something just an idea because i have no idea of how the game works but for example in falcon 40 AF dinamy campaing things are more detail when they are inside your bubble of influence so as not to waste sistem isnt it possible that the ships are getting inside your "BUBBLE" of influence and thust their routes and movement become more detailed because it would be kinda useless to render route patterns of ships that are 3000 miles away i dont know just something that came to my mind

12-08-07, 12:03 PM	#7
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	In this case they will start this behavior when they detect you. You can elmintae their sensors, and they will steam along as if you were never there, even on the surface next to them. tater