I had a vision of TRUE SHIV greatness today. - Page 2

CCIP · 11-30-07, 07:06 PM

Mod? No. Technically this is not possible without gross simplifications/substitutions that'd frankly make it meaningless.

Commercial? At this point I'm 90% sure there will be a DC2 game, provided the SHIV add-on does well.

Radioshow:
As a fan of both SH and Falcon... I don't think that's a good parallel. Falcon modders had much more access to the game's code than we do here. It's simply impossible to mod SHIII/IV to the same depth as F4. It doesn't exculde, of course, that like Falcon, SHIII and IV will have long modding lives - but the mods are more likely to be of a fix-what's-already-there type and simply adding new eye-candy rather than tearing the game apart from the ground up and fixing all the faults with its internals.

mrbeast · 11-30-07, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Radioshow

I have seen some marvelous modding done to Microproses Falcon 4.0. Probably one of the finest and longest modding pursuits ever and it required years of work and alot of legal and illegal source code work to get it where it is today 10 years later. So I believe alot of DC2 could be modded into SHIV graphically, the hardest part would be things like adding player controlled active and passive sonar and stations and possibly radar even though some of those parts are in there. There is also the worry of cease and dissist orders if you get too fancy with it.

Don't think Ubi will be too pleased about you suggesting illegal source code work as a means to modding SH.

Radioshow · 11-30-07, 07:34 PM

I never meant to suggest that any source work be done only that it would most likely be required, and that kind of work is a long process. My bad.

CaptainHaplo · 11-30-07, 09:42 PM

Ultimately, something like this MIGHT be possible... As noted, making the sub a surface ship wouldnt be hard.... Deck gun station could be heavily modded to look like a turret, though getting multiple barrels to work won't happen. Change the behavior of the torps to mimic DC's - so that stuff like "range" would equate to depth.... Might work. Fix the look of the weapons - you would be limited to dropping charges off the fantail - no way your gonna get k-guns to work that I see right now. Turn "Radar" into the sonar station - although getting the temp gradients to affect it would bo a problem.... Hydrophone station would just need a new "look".

Ultimately - it could be done - thought it would be a lot of work - and patchwork at that. This doesnt even TOUCH the multiplayer aspect - that I would see as not being a possibility until some stability with a "single player DD Mod" came out and had some maturity.

I gave it a yes - there would be alot of technical problems - but to get SOME decent functionality there would be no need to do anything to the source. Going beyond some however would get into things that would require crossing lines I don't think are right. Ultimately - if there was enough support for something like this - you would instead see a company pick up the idea and start creating it from scratch or licensing the engine of SH4 only.

In the end - such a concept could create an excellent "sim" of the surface raiders used in the atlantic - or of a true DC2 game.

Another 2 cents from.....

mrbeast · 12-01-07, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Ultimately, something like this MIGHT be possible... As noted, making the sub a surface ship wouldnt be hard.... Deck gun station could be heavily modded to look like a turret, though getting multiple barrels to work won't happen. Change the behavior of the torps to mimic DC's - so that stuff like "range" would equate to depth.... Might work. Fix the look of the weapons - you would be limited to dropping charges off the fantail - no way your gonna get k-guns to work that I see right now. Turn "Radar" into the sonar station - although getting the temp gradients to affect it would bo a problem.... Hydrophone station would just need a new "look".

Ultimately - it could be done - thought it would be a lot of work - and patchwork at that. This doesnt even TOUCH the multiplayer aspect - that I would see as not being a possibility until some stability with a "single player DD Mod" came out and had some maturity.

I gave it a yes - there would be alot of technical problems - but to get SOME decent functionality there would be no need to do anything to the source. Going beyond some however would get into things that would require crossing lines I don't think are right. Ultimately - if there was enough support for something like this - you would instead see a company pick up the idea and start creating it from scratch or licensing the engine of SH4 only.

In the end - such a concept could create an excellent "sim" of the surface raiders used in the atlantic - or of a true DC2 game.

Another 2 cents from.....

Why not leave the radar station as the radar station and just use the sonar station as the sonar station; it has everything you need passive and active, plus unmodded the sonar can be used on the surface.

kapitan_zur_see · 12-01-07, 04:48 PM

i'd rather say no...
The graphic part is of course kinda doable by substituting one of US destroyer 3d model as you said. But we would be far from a useable mod (not to mention you shouldn't have to sacrifice a US sub whilst trying to overwrite it with some destroyer...)

The point is, it would definitevely implies coding, which is not possible at the time...

Reno · 12-01-07, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Quagmire

check out these screenies!

Very nice screenshots. What are your specs and what resolution?

Sea Demon · 12-01-07, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I would also love to see a DC2, but it would require modelling all of the bridge interiors, as well as a couple of other stations ("man the guns!"); plus having all the required voice files done in the correct languages; not to mention having actual models made for the officers and crew.

I'd like to see it, but I agree it will probably take UBI to make it.

I Truly hope UBI is looking into at least the possibility of doing this. I still remember the multi-player possibilities regarding SH2 and DC. A new game like this, or a mod as the OP posted would be a great thing. But I'm with you. At this point we would need the interfaces, interiors, voices, etc. to truly bring out such a game. Whatever way we can get it, I hope somebody will work on it. I loved DC, and would like to simulate WW2 surface warfare with the updated graphics and possibilities of SH4.

biosthetique · 12-06-07, 05:06 PM

if it does not come with SHIII or IV it might come back with "Enigma" with had a DC and PT boats included in the game. Remember that part?...

The_Pharoah · 12-06-07, 09:23 PM

I've been hoping and praying for a DC2 mod or addon. Thats a genre thats been neglected since DC (there is the knights of the pacific or something game but which has russian MTBs - just not the same) but I'm talking a full campaign much like SHIV that would include stuff like:

1. Pacific warfare (naval battles, escort, shooting up islands!); and
2. Atlantic warfare (mainly convoy escort and minor naval battles).

Just tell me where to pay my money!

(hint hint UBI).

John W. Hamm · 01-16-08, 10:15 AM

I have thought about this concept many times, as a matter of fact earlier tonight I was steaming out of pearl admiring a Carrier and a destoyer on my way out and I thought... wow wouldn't it be great to command one of those, I know to some degree it was accomplished in SH3, however I could never find the mod. and Speaking of Falcon 4.0 I have the game and I used to play it all the time however the graphics just got to the point to were I couldn't enjoy it anymore I have never seen these mods for it could someone point them out to me??, and so long as we are talking about games that have longevity due to mods I think I will throw in Star Trek Bridge Commander I have never seen a game more modded. It is nothing of the original game, and now they are building a mod so that you can walk around an entire starship!! when the game first game out the most you could do is sit in the captains chair of the Galaxy class or Sovereign bridge, you could only command a hand full of ships. now there are tons of bridges, tons and tons more ships, you can walk all over the bridges, beam to other ships etc... etc.. and not to mention where as the game was story line based now another mod has made it Dynamic much along the same lines as SH and last but not least which should be a selling point to any game company who wants longevity in a game, if they do make it moddable like Bridge Commander then they could possibly expect it sales to increase and the price to go up, when Bridge commander first came out 2000 or 2001 I can't remember it sold for around $30.00 when I bought the game a year ago it cost me 75.00 and if you look on ebay you may find it for up to $120.00.

Kapitan_Phillips · 02-01-08, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Although I would like to see it. Espically in adversarial multiplayer. I think its beyond the capabiliities of 'modders'.

Most likely would require some addittion to and revision of game engine code.

Could be done as another game like the old DC was.

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11-30-07, 07:06 PM	#16
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Mod? No. Technically this is not possible without gross simplifications/substitutions that'd frankly make it meaningless. Commercial? At this point I'm 90% sure there will be a DC2 game, provided the SHIV add-on does well. Radioshow: As a fan of both SH and Falcon... I don't think that's a good parallel. Falcon modders had much more access to the game's code than we do here. It's simply impossible to mod SHIII/IV to the same depth as F4. It doesn't exculde, of course, that like Falcon, SHIII and IV will have long modding lives - but the mods are more likely to be of a fix-what's-already-there type and simply adding new eye-candy rather than tearing the game apart from the ground up and fixing all the faults with its internals. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

11-30-07, 09:42 PM	#19
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Ultimately, something like this MIGHT be possible... As noted, making the sub a surface ship wouldnt be hard.... Deck gun station could be heavily modded to look like a turret, though getting multiple barrels to work won't happen. Change the behavior of the torps to mimic DC's - so that stuff like "range" would equate to depth.... Might work. Fix the look of the weapons - you would be limited to dropping charges off the fantail - no way your gonna get k-guns to work that I see right now. Turn "Radar" into the sonar station - although getting the temp gradients to affect it would bo a problem.... Hydrophone station would just need a new "look". Ultimately - it could be done - thought it would be a lot of work - and patchwork at that. This doesnt even TOUCH the multiplayer aspect - that I would see as not being a possibility until some stability with a "single player DD Mod" came out and had some maturity. I gave it a yes - there would be alot of technical problems - but to get SOME decent functionality there would be no need to do anything to the source. Going beyond some however would get into things that would require crossing lines I don't think are right. Ultimately - if there was enough support for something like this - you would instead see a company pick up the idea and start creating it from scratch or licensing the engine of SH4 only. In the end - such a concept could create an excellent "sim" of the surface raiders used in the atlantic - or of a true DC2 game. Another 2 cents from..... __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

12-01-07, 04:48 PM	#21
kapitan_zur_see Commodore Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: France Posts: 614 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	i'd rather say no... The graphic part is of course kinda doable by substituting one of US destroyer 3d model as you said. But we would be far from a useable mod (not to mention you shouldn't have to sacrifice a US sub whilst trying to overwrite it with some destroyer...) The point is, it would definitevely implies coding, which is not possible at the time... __________________

01-16-08, 10:15 AM	#26
John W. Hamm Watch Officer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Timbuktoo Posts: 331 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I voted yes I have thought about this concept many times, as a matter of fact earlier tonight I was steaming out of pearl admiring a Carrier and a destoyer on my way out and I thought... wow wouldn't it be great to command one of those, I know to some degree it was accomplished in SH3, however I could never find the mod. and Speaking of Falcon 4.0 I have the game and I used to play it all the time however the graphics just got to the point to were I couldn't enjoy it anymore I have never seen these mods for it could someone point them out to me??, and so long as we are talking about games that have longevity due to mods I think I will throw in Star Trek Bridge Commander I have never seen a game more modded. It is nothing of the original game, and now they are building a mod so that you can walk around an entire starship!! when the game first game out the most you could do is sit in the captains chair of the Galaxy class or Sovereign bridge, you could only command a hand full of ships. now there are tons of bridges, tons and tons more ships, you can walk all over the bridges, beam to other ships etc... etc.. and not to mention where as the game was story line based now another mod has made it Dynamic much along the same lines as SH and last but not least which should be a selling point to any game company who wants longevity in a game, if they do make it moddable like Bridge Commander then they could possibly expect it sales to increase and the price to go up, when Bridge commander first came out 2000 or 2001 I can't remember it sold for around $30.00 when I bought the game a year ago it cost me 75.00 and if you look on ebay you may find it for up to $120.00. __________________ Elvis has left the building

11-30-07, 07:34 PM	#18
Radioshow Bosun Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 64 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	I never meant to suggest that any source work be done only that it would most likely be required, and that kind of work is a long process. My bad.

12-06-07, 05:06 PM	#24
biosthetique Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: SD Posts: 266 Downloads: 652 Uploads: 0	if it does not come with SHIII or IV it might come back with "Enigma" with had a DC and PT boats included in the game. Remember that part?...

12-06-07, 09:23 PM	#25
The_Pharoah Soundman Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 142 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	I've been hoping and praying for a DC2 mod or addon. Thats a genre thats been neglected since DC (there is the knights of the pacific or something game but which has russian MTBs - just not the same) but I'm talking a full campaign much like SHIV that would include stuff like: 1. Pacific warfare (naval battles, escort, shooting up islands!); and 2. Atlantic warfare (mainly convoy escort and minor naval battles). Just tell me where to pay my money! (hint hint UBI).