[REL] Prolonged DC Attack

Peto · 12-01-07, 02:06 PM

VERSION 1.1 NOW AVAILABLE. LINK BELOW.

As you if you didn't have enough annoyances in your life, here comes another one

. With this mod, expect Escort Evasion to be MUCH more difficult. Getting away can potentially take hours.

I've had various experiences while testing this--enough that I know luck is a huge factor. Don't count on luck though!!! You'll need patience and perseverance at times. Also, if you haven't been solidly contacted for 20+ minutes, it doesn't mean you have gotten away. It only means you've had a good 20 minutes

.

Recommended Use:
1. Realtime
2. Give as small an aspect as possible to the escort(s). Point your stern at them.
3. patience
4. Patience
5. PATIENCE (this is not for those who want fast and furious action)

File Changes: Along with AI_Sensor changes, I've also changed some audio files. I did this because I designed the whole mod as a package to provide an effect. It's my attempt to recreate the nuances of "sweating it out", something most WWII Veterans endured. Later, I may split the sensor out for a stand-alone so people can choose their own sounds. But for now, please try it the way it's packaged. I think most of you will like it!

Included in the package are 2 scenarios (HK_Peto1 & HK_Peto2). These are simply 2 Hunter Killer scenarios to introduce you to what this mod does. I recommend using them NOT to shoot at escorts, but to learn how to evade. My tactics have changed since I've been using this but I won't tell you how

!

Note!!! This is Beta! PLEASE report back your experiences! This is the only way I'll be able to determine "an average" experience and tweak the mod and make it what YOU want! Information that would help:

1. Date of escort encounter
2. What escort class(es) encountered
3. Weather Conditions

It's a Buggar! Good Luck!

Currently for all versions of SH4 AFTER PATCH 1.4: http://files.filefront.com/Prolonged.../fileinfo.html

AVGWarhawk has asked some Very Good Questions , so here is my "Additional Notes" section:
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1. The included scenarios are supposed to be tough. I'm throwing in a couple Bad case scenarios so you don't unwittingly blunder into them in career mode. I suggest trying the included scenarios with external view ON. (You'll probably never hear that from me again btw). It will give you a chance to see what is different. I've had to adjust some of my own methods of evasion to be successful! "Personally, I've been able to elude the DD team easier than the lone SC, I think mainly because of the weather. I've also tested this in career mode and have had times when I could just slip away. Then there were other times where it was brutal." (My quote from a later post in this thread)

2. There has been reported CTD problems with scenario HK_Peto1. I'm looking into it. If it happens, please post which mods you are using. (Looks like it may be the difference between TM and RSRD. I've now made two versions).
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Notes on Version 1.1:

One of the big changes I've made with 1.1 is the effectiveness of Thermal layers. In the stock game, I think they are far too common. However, I didn't want to eliminate them entirely so I just "turned them down". A lot actually. They will still help you but don't think that since you're beneath one you can go have supper. Chances are--if you do--you'll come back to a sunk boat and sad crew.

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You may package this with other mods but credit as appropriate. Not for Commercial use: if you make any money off this I want half and the other half goes to Neal at subsim.com!!! Without Neal, none of this would be happening so Donate Today!!!

ReallyDedPoet · 12-01-07, 02:10 PM

Thanks for your work on this Peto, downloading now

Edit: Just saw the TM reference, nice!!

RDP

AVGWarhawk · 12-01-07, 02:51 PM

I'm loading it up!

AVGWarhawk · 12-01-07, 02:54 PM

Just a note: I loaded with JSGME and it overwrote the ROW sound mod only.

AVGWarhawk · 12-01-07, 03:21 PM

A bit of confusion here. You have two threads, this one and prolong evasion. Is this just one mod or are you going somewhere with the other thread as a separate mod?

I did however take out the ROW creaking sounds and re installed after I place this mod in so I can have the creaking noise.

Peto · 12-01-07, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

A bit of confusion here. You have two threads, this one and prolong evasion. Is this just one mod or are you going somewhere with the other thread as a separate mod?

I did however take out the ROW creaking sounds and re installed after I place this mod in so I can have the creaking noise.

This is the "Release" thread. The other one was more for the creation phase (WIP) and I thought this name was more appropriate. This is the only one with a link to the mod. I started this one in an attempt to avoid confusion :hmm:. If you think it's confusing feel free to change the title to mirror the other thread.

The creaking sounds are there. They will get louder as you go deeper. I did this so it's easier to hear incoming escorts from farther out. That has been a very important aspect in my experience so far...

Happy Hunting...er...evading!!!

AVGWarhawk · 12-01-07, 05:18 PM

Good point on the creaking and hearing DD coming in. I'm still working with the new install of it.

How about I just lock the old thread but leave the direction to this thead as the release? Sounds good to me.

Peto · 12-01-07, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Good point on the creaking and hearing DD coming in. I'm still working with the new install of it.

How about I just lock the old thread but leave the direction to this thead as the release? Sounds good to me.

Thanks! That'd be great!

AVGWarhawk · 12-01-07, 05:45 PM

One question on this Peto, are all the DD set to be very good or is there variety of good and bad DD?

Peto · 12-01-07, 06:04 PM

Very Good question. The lone Subchaser is Elite. The scenario with 2 DD's (but worse weather) is an Elite teamed with a Veteran. So it's supposed to be tough. If you can handle these guys, you should be able to handle them in career mode...

Personally, I've been able to elude the DD team easier than the lone SC, I think mainly because of the weather. I've also tested this in career mode and have had times when I could just slip away. Then there were other times where it was brutal.

FYI though: I have managed to escape both of the test scenarios included in the mod. The longest it took me was 5 hours 17 minutes

. And it felt like I would never get away

.

If I don't see a few

's in this post, I'll be surprised. But seriously, my testing results have been so unpredicatable that I needed to release this for more feedback so I can tune it. It would also be easy to make variants too.

Just waiting for results and making lasagna at the moment

.

Thanks for your interest!!!

PS. At 1st it may be better to use external view so you can get a picture of what is going on above. That's a decision reversal from what I said in a previous post but, once you get used to how escorts act in this mod (and there is a difference IMO) it makes it a little easier.

mrbeast · 12-01-07, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peto

Very Good question. The lone Subchaser is Elite. The scenario with 2 DD's (but worse weather) is an Elite teamed with a Veteran. So it's supposed to be tough. If you can handle these guys, you should be able to handle them in career mode...

Personally, I've been able to elude the DD team easier than the lone SC, I think mainly because of the weather. I've also tested this in career mode and have had times when I could just slip away. Then there were other times where it was brutal.

FYI though: I have managed to escape both of the test scenarios included in the mod. The longest it took me was 5 hours 17 minutes

. And it felt like I would never get away

.

If I don't see a few

's in this post, I'll be surprised. But seriously, my testing results have been so unpredicatable that I needed to release this for more feedback so I can tune it. It would also be easy to make variants too.

Just waiting for results and making lasagna at the moment

.

Thanks for your interest!!!

PS. At 1st it may be better to use external view so you can get a picture of what is going on above. That's a decision reversal from what I said in a previous post but, once you get used to how escorts act in this mod (and there is a difference IMO) it makes it a little easier.

When you say 5 hours are you talking in real time, i.e. 5 hours of solid play or 5 hours in the game? If you understand what I mean. :hmm:

Peto · 12-01-07, 06:27 PM

Real time. I haven't tested this with time compression/ not sure how it would work.

AVGWarhawk · 12-01-07, 06:50 PM

Issue with the HK Peto1 mission. I did this twice. Fire torpedoes and as they head towards the DD I get a CTD. Not sure why. All looks well and then a crash.

Peto · 12-01-07, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Issue with the HK Peto1 mission. I did this twice. Fire torpedoes and as they head towards the DD I get a CTD. Not sure why. All looks well and then a crash.

Hmm. Not sure what in the wide, wide world of sports would cause that!?! There isn't anything torpedo related in there that I can think of. I'll check it out though! I've never fired torps in the mission myself. Always too scared and lurking wayyy down there

. Did you try that in the other scenario?

I'll be back after I check that out. Thank You for the Heads Up

Factor · 12-01-07, 08:12 PM

i have CTD in the same single mission also, but its when the enemy gets close, ive never fired any torps in the mission.

12-01-07, 02:06 PM	#1
Peto Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The details of my life are quite inconsequential Posts: 1,049 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	[REL] Prolonged DC Attack *VERSION 1.1 NOW AVAILABLE. LINK BELOW.* As you if you didn't have enough annoyances in your life, here comes another one . With this mod, expect Escort Evasion to be MUCH more difficult. Getting away can potentially take hours. I've had various experiences while testing this--enough that I know luck is a huge factor. Don't count on luck though!!! You'll need patience and perseverance at times. Also, if you haven't been solidly contacted for 20+ minutes, it doesn't mean you have gotten away. It only means you've had a good 20 minutes . Recommended Use: 1. Realtime 2. Give as small an aspect as possible to the escort(s). Point your stern at them. 3. patience 4. Patience 5. PATIENCE (this is not for those who want fast and furious action) File Changes: Along with AI_Sensor changes, I've also changed some audio files. I did this because I designed the whole mod as a package to provide an effect. It's my attempt to recreate the nuances of "sweating it out", something most WWII Veterans endured. Later, I may split the sensor out for a stand-alone so people can choose their own sounds. But for now, please try it the way it's packaged. I think most of you will like it! Included in the package are 2 scenarios (HK_Peto1 & HK_Peto2). These are simply 2 Hunter Killer scenarios to introduce you to what this mod does. I recommend using them NOT to shoot at escorts, but to learn how to evade. My tactics have changed since I've been using this but I won't tell you how ! Note!!! This is Beta! PLEASE report back your experiences! This is the only way I'll be able to determine "an average" experience and tweak the mod and make it what YOU want! Information that would help: 1. Date of escort encounter 2. What escort class(es) encountered 3. Weather Conditions It's a Buggar! Good Luck! Currently for all versions of SH4 AFTER PATCH 1.4: http://files.filefront.com/Prolonged.../fileinfo.html AVGWarhawk has asked some Very Good Questions , so here is my "Additional Notes" section: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. The included scenarios are supposed to be tough. I'm throwing in a couple Bad case scenarios so you don't unwittingly blunder into them in career mode. I suggest trying the included scenarios with external view ON. (You'll probably never hear that from me again btw). It will give you a chance to see what is different. I've had to adjust some of my own methods of evasion to be successful! "Personally, I've been able to elude the DD team easier than the lone SC, I think mainly because of the weather. I've also tested this in career mode and have had times when I could just slip away. Then there were other times where it was brutal." (My quote from a later post in this thread) 2. There has been reported CTD problems with scenario HK_Peto1. I'm looking into it. If it happens, please post which mods you are using. (Looks like it may be the difference between TM and RSRD. I've now made two versions). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Notes on Version 1.1: One of the big changes I've made with 1.1 is the effectiveness of Thermal layers. In the stock game, I think they are far too common. However, I didn't want to eliminate them entirely so I just "turned them down". A lot actually. They will still help you but don't think that since you're beneath one you can go have supper. Chances are--if you do--you'll come back to a sunk boat and sad crew. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You may package this with other mods but credit as appropriate. Not for Commercial use: if you make any money off this I want half and the other half goes to Neal at subsim.com!!! Without Neal, none of this would be happening so Donate Today!!! __________________ If your target has a 30 degree AOB, the range from his base course line equals the current range divided by 2. Last edited by Peto; 12-06-07 at 08:07 PM.

12-01-07, 02:10 PM	#2
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,886 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Thanks for your work on this Peto, downloading now Edit: Just saw the TM reference, nice!! RDP __________________ Back in the Day

12-01-07, 02:51 PM	#3
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,266 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I'm loading it up! __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

12-01-07, 02:54 PM	#4
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,266 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Just a note: I loaded with JSGME and it overwrote the ROW sound mod only. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

12-01-07, 03:21 PM	#5
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,266 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	A bit of confusion here. You have two threads, this one and prolong evasion. Is this just one mod or are you going somewhere with the other thread as a separate mod? I did however take out the ROW creaking sounds and re installed after I place this mod in so I can have the creaking noise. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

12-01-07, 05:18 PM	#7
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,266 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Good point on the creaking and hearing DD coming in. I'm still working with the new install of it. How about I just lock the old thread but leave the direction to this thead as the release? Sounds good to me. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

12-01-07, 05:45 PM	#9
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,266 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	One question on this Peto, are all the DD set to be very good or is there variety of good and bad DD? __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

12-01-07, 06:04 PM	#10
Peto Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The details of my life are quite inconsequential Posts: 1,049 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Very Good question. The lone Subchaser is Elite. The scenario with 2 DD's (but worse weather) is an Elite teamed with a Veteran. So it's supposed to be tough. If you can handle these guys, you should be able to handle them in career mode... Personally, I've been able to elude the DD team easier than the lone SC, I think mainly because of the weather. I've also tested this in career mode and have had times when I could just slip away. Then there were other times where it was brutal. FYI though: I have managed to escape both of the test scenarios included in the mod. The longest it took me was 5 hours 17 minutes . And it felt like I would never get away . If I don't see a few 's in this post, I'll be surprised. But seriously, my testing results have been so unpredicatable that I needed to release this for more feedback so I can tune it. It would also be easy to make variants too. Just waiting for results and making lasagna at the moment . Thanks for your interest!!! PS. At 1st it may be better to use external view so you can get a picture of what is going on above. That's a decision reversal from what I said in a previous post but, once you get used to how escorts act in this mod (and there is a difference IMO) it makes it a little easier. __________________ If your target has a 30 degree AOB, the range from his base course line equals the current range divided by 2.

12-01-07, 06:27 PM	#12
Peto Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The details of my life are quite inconsequential Posts: 1,049 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Real time. I haven't tested this with time compression/ not sure how it would work. __________________ If your target has a 30 degree AOB, the range from his base course line equals the current range divided by 2.

12-01-07, 06:50 PM	#13
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,266 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Issue with the HK Peto1 mission. I did this twice. Fire torpedoes and as they head towards the DD I get a CTD. Not sure why. All looks well and then a crash. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

12-01-07, 08:12 PM	#15
Factor Weps Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 356 Downloads: 180 Uploads: 0	i have CTD in the same single mission also, but its when the enemy gets close, ive never fired any torps in the mission.