Iranian Submarine

[Herr_Pete]

ahaha lol you know theres something not rite. probs tested it with there 'modern technology' no doubt several decades old so maybe they beat there own rubbish lol forgeting major powers like US and UK are miles ahead lol

[Chock]

ahaha lol you know theres something not rite. probs tested it with there 'modern technology' no doubt several decades old so maybe they beat there own rubbish lol forgeting major powers like US and UK are miles ahead lol

I daresay it may not be as good as they claim, but underestimating your enemy and not treating them as a credible threat is one of the most basic tactical errors you can make. The US thought Pearl Harbor was too shallow to permit Japanese aircraft to drop air-launched torpedoes into, with the technology the Japs had, and we know what happened there.

Also do not underestimate the levels of education in Iran and their abilities where technological advancements are concerned. It might be a popular notion to regard them as Jihad following camel jockeys that struggle with clapped-out old Russian equipment and derivatives of it, but the truth is the Iranians are very highly educated and very sophisticated people, with a long tradition of innovation, particularly in nautical matters. The Astolabe, for example, is an Arabic invention; you might also want to note that the word, admiral, is an arabic word, meaning commander of the seas.

Chock

[micky1up]

it took ten years to build so the plans are at least 15 years old man its outdated already



and of course they have a proud submarine tradition having the equipment is one thing the quality of the crew thats a different matter. a study after the first gulf war conculded that if the roles had been reversed and the allies had the iraqis equipment and the iraqis thiers the allies still would have won

[Marcantilan]

Don´t underestimate the capacity of a SSK operating in shallow waters, specially in the tricky (hot & cold currents) Persian Gulf waters.

The new iranian boats are no joke for the US Navy.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Marcantilan

Don´t underestimate the capacity of a SSK operating in shallow waters, specially in the tricky (hot & cold currents) Persian Gulf waters.

The new iranian boats are no joke for the US Navy.

Even more so since they will not try to chase a surface group, but in the narrow waters of the gulf or the straits can afford to wait in silence and let them come to them - nNo matter if surface group, tankers, or escorts.

An outdated type 209 has sunk 15 NATO vessels in southafrican exercises just weeks ago - already forgotten? And that was in the open ocean. It was reported that at no time it ever was detected while "killing" the complete NATO armada down to the last ship.

So one must not even refer to the Swedish sub being leased by the Navy to learn how kill it. that is in it's second year now, and they still don't have a clue, it seems. The Swedes say they Americans are desperate, and in over a year haven't found them one single time. they also said they could drive circles around the navy, and up and down the mississippi without the navy being able to do anything about it. That sub may be an even more modern design, okay, but nevertheless - you get the message. It reads: competently handed diesel subs are an extremely dangerous opponent.

Don't talk your enemy strong. But also do not underestimate him. Especially when it comes to subs.

[Kapitan]

quote skybird (An outdated type 209 has sunk 15 NATO vessels in southafrican exercises just weeks ago - already forgotten? And that was in the open ocean. It was reported that at no time it ever was detected while "killing" the complete NATO armada down to the last ship.)


Sometimes with that said it is good for buisness if the outdated tech sold to 3rd world contries acctually makes kills if it does that in an exercise then they may want more which means more cash for you even though you know you can find it some exercises are rigged.

There were reports german type 212's had to have noise makers fitted to thier sterns so other nato countries could atleast have half a chance.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

There were reports german type 212's had to have noise makers fitted to thier sterns so other nato countries could atleast have half a chance.

NOT ON MY BOAT...! This is no basketball!

[moose1am]

I agree with everything below but want to add some more.

Some were laughing at the Iranians for claiming that their sub could avoid Radar not sonar. But those who laugh need to remember the history of WWII submarine combat. It was not until the allies started using radar and catching German U Boats on the surface recharging their batteries at night that we started to turn the tide in the battle for the Atlantic. If not for radar we would have all been talking and singing in German or Japanese.

These new fuel cell powered submarines are a huge threat to the USA and our allies. And these type of submarine are going to help shut down the oil that's flowing out of the Persian Gulf if we are not careful.

Like Skybird said below: We can't find the Swedish sub in our war games. That scares the holly crap out of me.

Sometimes were are so full of ourselves and overconfident that it scares me. We need to stay vigilant and prepare for the worse case scenarios not cake walks.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Even more so since they will not try to chase a surface group, but in the narrow waters of the gulf or the straits can afford to wait in silence and let them come to them - No matter if surface group, tankers, or escorts.

An outdated type 209 has sunk 15 NATO vessels in southafrican exercises just weeks ago - already forgotten? And that was in the open ocean. It was reported that at no time it ever was detected while "killing" the complete NATO armada down to the last ship.

So one must not even refer to the Swedish sub being leased by the Navy to learn how kill it. that is in it's second year now, and they still don't have a clue, it seems. The Swedes say they Americans are desperate, and in over a year haven't found them one single time. they also said they could drive circles around the navy, and up and down the Mississippi without the navy being able to do anything about it. That sub may be an even more modern design, OK, but nevertheless - you get the message. It reads: competently handed diesel subs are an extremely dangerous opponent.

Don't talk your enemy strong. But also do not underestimate him. Especially when it comes to subs.

[bookworm_020]

The Persian Gulf is an ideal hunting ground for an SSK. It may not be able to run down a task force, but it can lie in wait for them, and if they're in the right position, can creep in to a task force an cause untold amounts of greif.

The U.S. has been found short dealing with convetional subs in the past (the Australian Collins class has been able to humble them many times at various RIMPAC exercisies) The U.S. has also drawn down alot of it's sub hunting skills for carriers (the S-3 Viking into retirment). If a shooting war starts and the subs have left there base beforehand they could cause many problems if not stopped quickly.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Chock

I daresay it may not be as good as they claim, but underestimating your enemy and not treating them as a credible threat is one of the most basic tactical errors you can make. The US thought Pearl Harbor was too shallow to permit Japanese aircraft to drop air-launched torpedoes into, with the technology the Japs had, and we know what happened there.

Also do not underestimate the levels of education in Iran and their abilities where technological advancements are concerned. It might be a popular notion to regard them as Jihad following camel jockeys that struggle with clapped-out old Russian equipment and derivatives of it, but the truth is the Iranians are very highly educated and very sophisticated people, with a long tradition of innovation, particularly in nautical matters. The Astolabe, for example, is an Arabic invention; you might also want to note that the word, admiral, is an arabic word, meaning commander of the seas.

Chock

Well said, my friend.

As an Iranian who lived in Tehran and who fought during the Iran-Iraq War, I can honestly tell you that you must not underestimate my old countrymen. We Middle-Easterners can be slippery to get a grip on (both mentally and physically).

[Foxtrot]

The serb dude nailed F-117 with a vintage SAM missile.
and he eats F-117 cake every year in March :rotfl: