Flower Corvettes

Oberon · 11-30-07, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan

Blow em' away with your deck gun? They're not that big....are they?

Do you use GWX? I've just had most of my upper deck shredded by an armed tugboat!! I wouldn't have taken it on but the bugger chanced upon me in shallow waters whilst I was lining up on a pyro ship and he started dropping ash cans, so I thought, well, he's only a rowing boat with a couple of machine guns and a pop gun up front.

Three dead, three injured and a blackened fore deck later the tug took a hit to his ammo storage and blew up pretty spectacularly before sinking like a stone. Unfortunately I then hit another F$£"*()$£"&*()king seamount on the way back to Wilhelmshaven and sunk.

Oberlt Elric seems to have an extreme death-wish...wherever he goes British Destroyers and geography seem to follow...

Anyway, I've learnt my lesson and will try to stick to my standard GWX doctrine...if it has a gun, avoid it like a case of crabs.

KeptinCranky · 11-30-07, 05:22 PM

Take the time to look a the Flower's hull in the museum or ingame sometime, It's a nice rounded bathtub shape, guaranteed to have most impact torpedos bounce off at any angle... as to why you mag shots fail to explode, a flower corvette has a draft of 5 meters, if you set the running depth to 4 the eel will bounce off and sink.

apart from that, the trick to flower corvettes is to let them sink themselves, see my post in screenshots thread.

If you absolutely feel you have to sink an escorts, take out the most dangerous ones, a proper DD or black swan, leave the trawlers, tugs and flowers alone, they really not worth it.

robj250 · 11-30-07, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptinCranky

Take the time to look a the Flower's hull in the museum or ingame sometime, It's a nice rounded bathtub shape, guaranteed to have most impact torpedos bounce off at any angle... as to why you mag shots fail to explode, a flower corvette has a draft of 5 meters, if you set the running depth to 4 the eel will bounce off and sink.

apart from that, the trick to flower corvettes is to let them sink themselves, see my post in screenshots thread.

If you absolutely feel you have to sink an escorts, take out the most dangerous ones, a proper DD or black swan, leave the trawlers, tugs and flowers alone, they really not worth it.

I never looked into the museum for the Flower, but I picked up the drafts for all the ships from someone's post on subsim and have it in pdf format. In that ship chart it says the Flower's draft is 3.5. That is why I have been setting my mags at 4 m.

Next time I will set the mags at 5.5 m.

Thanks for letting me know that.

Rob

BTW, I'm using a heavily modded version of SH3, not GWX.

KeptinCranky · 11-30-07, 06:34 PM

In that case I can't be sure about the draft thing, but the Hull shpae problem definitely applies, there's a few other ships with similar issues like the small tanker and to some degree the tugboat.

Any ship that has less than 2 meters of vertical hull before the bottom starts curving is a problem with impact eels for me, so I tend to go for the mag shots as well

robj250 · 11-30-07, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KeptinCranky

In that case I can't be sure about the draft thing, but the Hull shpae problem definitely applies, there's a few other ships with similar issues like the small tanker and to some degree the tugboat.

Any ship that has less than 2 meters of vertical hull before the bottom starts curving is a problem with impact eels for me, so I tend to go for the mag shots as well

What about when the Atlantic winds get to be 15 m/s? It makes your conning tower visible sometimes.

How does that affect firing a mag TIII at a Flower in SH3 not GWX?

Rob

KeptinCranky · 11-30-07, 09:29 PM

Yes, definitely, the Ship is riding up and down a lot and plunging into waves and whatnot so the eel might very well either run too deep, too shallow, detonate prematurely or miss completely.

I try not to engage anything in stormy weather but if I have to I leave the escorts entirely alone, they're far less effective in those sort of conditions, I try to go for the biggest ships with impact eels set fairly shallow, 4 meters or so, much better chance of hitting.

Interestingly enough, most of the people injured while serving on Flower Corvettes specifically during WWII didn't suffer from damage caused by enemy action but from broken bones due to heavy weather, those things were basically seaworthy but turned out to be a very unstable and uncomfortable ride during storms. :hmm:

Oberon · 12-01-07, 07:49 AM

Flower corvettes would roll on wet grass IIRC

robj250 · 12-01-07, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KeptinCranky

Take the time to look a the Flower's hull in the museum or ingame sometime, It's a nice rounded bathtub shape, guaranteed to have most impact torpedos bounce off at any angle... as to why you mag shots fail to explode, a flower corvette has a draft of 5 meters, if you set the running depth to 4 the eel will bounce off and sink.

apart from that, the trick to flower corvettes is to let them sink themselves, see my post in screenshots thread.

If you absolutely feel you have to sink an escorts, take out the most dangerous ones, a proper DD or black swan, leave the trawlers, tugs and flowers alone, they really not worth it.

@KeptinCranky
I took a look through the GWX Museum and the SH3 Museum and they both state that the draft of the Flower Corvette is "3.5 m" NOT 5m

Rob

BTW: I did not see a C2 or C3 Cargo ship, nor a T2 or Y3 Tanker listed.

KeptinCranky · 12-01-07, 02:50 PM

Not every country has C2 and C3 ships...also in GWX they're called Medium merchant and Large Merchant respectively

robj250 · 12-02-07, 03:41 PM

I am now on a new mission heading for ET11. I was notified of a convoy when I was off the coast of Africa. The weather is terrible. On plotting the intercept, I figure it will be a daylight attack. Should I attack in the daylight, because my conning tower will be bobbing up and down in the waves.

Or, should I shadow and wait for nightfall.

Remember, I make movies of my missions.

Rob.

deepboat · 12-02-07, 04:22 PM

I intercepted a convoy in the CF grid lightly escorted by 2 Black Swans and one corvette.I noticed that the Swans were riding unusually high in the water but not as much as the flower. It was literally floating on top of the water with it's prop turning but the ship itself wasn't even moving. How do you compute a solution requiring a positive depth? Aerial torp? I saved the pic with Ctl+ F11 but couldn't figure how to post it.

robj250 · 12-02-07, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by deepboat

I intercepted a convoy in the CF grid lightly escorted by 2 Black Swans and one corvette.I noticed that the Swans were riding unusually high in the water but not as much as the flower. It was literally floating on top of the water with it's prop turning but the ship itself wasn't even moving. How do you compute a solution requiring a positive depth? Aerial torp? I saved the pic with Ctl+ F11 but couldn't figure how to post it.

Upload you picture to ImageShack and then put the link to that pic u uploaded in your subsim post. Use the forum link, you'll figure it out.

Your link would look something like this, but remember, your picture canot be any wider that the width of the subsim page.

http://imagenumber.imageshack.us/ima...icturename.jpg

thats imagenumber.imageshack.us/imagenumber/theirnumber/yourpicturename.jpg

that's how you get it on this page, I think, but I think you have to put [img] in front and [/img] afterwards.

Give it a try.

Rob

Jonathan · 11-30-07, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan

Blow em' away with your deck gun? They're not that big....are they?

Do you use GWX? I've just had most of my upper deck shredded by an armed tugboat!! I wouldn't have taken it on but the bugger chanced upon me in shallow waters whilst I was lining up on a pyro ship and he started dropping ash cans, so I thought, well, he's only a rowing boat with a couple of machine guns and a pop gun up front.

Three dead, three injured and a blackened fore deck later the tug took a hit to his ammo storage and blew up pretty spectacularly before sinking like a stone. Unfortunately I then hit another F$£"*()$£"&*()king seamount on the way back to Wilhelmshaven and sunk.

Oberlt Elric seems to have an extreme death-wish...wherever he goes British Destroyers and geography seem to follow...

Anyway, I've learnt my lesson and will try to stick to my standard GWX doctrine...if it has a gun, avoid it like a case of crabs.

No I do not use GWX. I am running what I think they cal "stock" or "Vanilla" configs and installs of the game.

12-02-07, 04:22 PM	#11
deepboat Gunner Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In an Octopuss' Garden Posts: 99 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	I intercepted a convoy in the CF grid lightly escorted by 2 Black Swans and one corvette.I noticed that the Swans were riding unusually high in the water but not as much as the flower. It was literally floating on top of the water with it's prop turning but the ship itself wasn't even moving. How do you compute a solution requiring a positive depth? Aerial torp? I saved the pic with Ctl+ F11 but couldn't figure how to post it. __________________ Smoke on the horizon captain!

11-30-07, 05:22 PM	#2
KeptinCranky Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,050 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Take the time to look a the Flower's hull in the museum or ingame sometime, It's a nice rounded bathtub shape, guaranteed to have most impact torpedos bounce off at any angle... as to why you mag shots fail to explode, a flower corvette has a draft of 5 meters, if you set the running depth to 4 the eel will bounce off and sink. apart from that, the trick to flower corvettes is to let them sink themselves, see my post in screenshots thread. If you absolutely feel you have to sink an escorts, take out the most dangerous ones, a proper DD or black swan, leave the trawlers, tugs and flowers alone, they really not worth it.

11-30-07, 06:34 PM	#4
KeptinCranky Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,050 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	In that case I can't be sure about the draft thing, but the Hull shpae problem definitely applies, there's a few other ships with similar issues like the small tanker and to some degree the tugboat. Any ship that has less than 2 meters of vertical hull before the bottom starts curving is a problem with impact eels for me, so I tend to go for the mag shots as well

11-30-07, 09:29 PM	#6
KeptinCranky Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,050 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Yes, definitely, the Ship is riding up and down a lot and plunging into waves and whatnot so the eel might very well either run too deep, too shallow, detonate prematurely or miss completely. I try not to engage anything in stormy weather but if I have to I leave the escorts entirely alone, they're far less effective in those sort of conditions, I try to go for the biggest ships with impact eels set fairly shallow, 4 meters or so, much better chance of hitting. Interestingly enough, most of the people injured while serving on Flower Corvettes specifically during WWII didn't suffer from damage caused by enemy action but from broken bones due to heavy weather, those things were basically seaworthy but turned out to be a very unstable and uncomfortable ride during storms. :hmm:

12-01-07, 07:49 AM	#7
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Flower corvettes would roll on wet grass IIRC

12-01-07, 02:50 PM	#9
KeptinCranky Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,050 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Not every country has C2 and C3 ships...also in GWX they're called Medium merchant and Large Merchant respectively

12-02-07, 03:41 PM	#10
robj250 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Port Hardy, BC, Canada 75 yo with M.S. & C.O.P.D. & heart problems Posts: 1,930 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I am now on a new mission heading for ET11. I was notified of a convoy when I was off the coast of Africa. The weather is terrible. On plotting the intercept, I figure it will be a daylight attack. Should I attack in the daylight, because my conning tower will be bobbing up and down in the waves. Or, should I shadow and wait for nightfall. Remember, I make movies of my missions. Rob.