Possible 40 lashes for.........

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Agreed

Yes indeed, agreed. Just not far-leading enough.

You have to forgive them, though. From Islamic perspective it is only fair and just that infidels pay them "taxes". It comes as a natural part of the religion of theirs. It is their natural right to get payed by others.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Yes indeed, agreed. Just not far-leading enough.

You have to forgive them, though. From Islamic perspective it is only fair and just that infidels pay them "taxes". It comes as a natural part of the religion of theirs. It is their natural right to get payed by others.

Yeah....in Britain it's called Social Security. Paid for out of British workers taxes

[seafarer]

Originally Posted by Reaves

Religion is a great thing, ....

No, it's not. It really is not, nor ever has been. Especially to anyone who is not a member (follower, believer, whathaveyou) of the religion (any religion).

[STEED]

I see in the news the women in question has now been charged.

[Jimbuna]

The Right Hon David Milliband, Foreign Secretary and MP for South Shields has summoned the Sudanese Minister in for questioning :hmm:

I hope we don't have to pay his taxi fare back

[STEED]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

The Right Hon David Milliband, Foreign Secretary and MP for South Shields has summoned the Sudanese Minister in for questioning :hmm:

I hope we don't have to pay his taxi fare back

David Milliband is a pr*ck and wet behind the ears.

[Chock]

David Milliband is a pr*ck and wet behind the ears.

Couldn't agree more

Chock

[Reaves]

If only there was an international group that would stand against all barbaric countries like Sudan. Untill that time things like this will continue. The media has ignored Sudan for a long time. Not so long ago people were crucified there.

[SUBMAN1]

Where are the British SAS already? This is pathetic. Make it painful already for both parties if they go through with this.

-S

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Just imagine the backlash if us British had such a punishment for a Muslim who called their teddy Elizabeth.

[Reaves]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Just imagine the backlash if us British had such a punishment for a Muslim who called their teddy Elizabeth.

The sadest thing is that this comment is true. I'm a strong believer in equality for everyone but more often nowadays it seems western nations are compromising our way of life to please others. This allows hatreds to grow on both sides of the fence.

Our judgement is being clouded by hatred of fanatics!

Once upon a time this was my idea of a muslim:



Now it's this:




I miss being ignorant.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Reaves

I hate fanatics of any religion but Islamic countries really peeve me.

Watch your tongue, Reaves. I'm an Iranian Muslim, and I'm not going to tolerate you mocking our religion (downsized by violence, though it be), and I know the mods won't either.

In case you didn't get it, I'm joking, although I am a Muslim.

[Reaves]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Watch your tongue, Reaves. I'm an Iranian Muslim, and I'm not going to tolerate you mocking our religion (downsized by violence, though it be), and I know the mods won't either.

In case you didn't get it, I'm joking, although I am a Muslim.

It doesn't bother me at all if your a muslim.

I dislike fanatical Christians or whatevers as much as fanatical muslims. We all have the same God if you ask me but that's a topic for another thread.... another forum even! :hmm:

I hope you understand my comment about Islamic nations though. It's not just things like equal rights for women, some of those nations are pretty messed up. When it comes to it I also don't condone the death penalty in the USA so don't worry, I dislike everyone equally.

See my last post, I hope that explains it. If anything I admire you for your faith as if you follow it correctly, religion generally makes you a better person. It's a shame the few loud ones taint the name of everyone.

[Stealth Hunter]

Oh, I do understand. I just wanted to crack out one of those sarcastic jokes/statements. It's always fun to ponder the reaction of those to whom it is aimed at, and then their thoughts, then wonder their feelings towards the final, "I'm joking!" part.:rotfl:

I too dislike the fanatics of the world, and I believe very strongly that perhaps they should be taught to respect the rights and beliefs of others without being so stuck-up and arrogant, claiming they have all the answers. Should this seem hypocritical of me to be uttering these words from my mouth (to anyone who may be reading this without full understanding), just note that I do not claim to have all the answers.

[jumpy]

Originally Posted by BBC

The Muslim Council of Britain reacted angrily to the news, saying it was "appalled" and demanded Mrs Gibbons' immediate release. "This is a disgraceful decision and defies common sense. There was clearly no intention on the part of the teacher to deliberately insult the Islamic faith," said Secretary-General Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari, in a strongly-worded statement.
"We call upon the Sudanese President, Omar al-Bashir, to intervene in this case without delay to ensure that Ms Gibbons is freed from this quite shameful ordeal," said Dr Bari.
Earlier, the Sudanese Embassy in London had said the situation was a "storm in a teacup" and signalled that the teacher could be released soon, attributing the incident to a cultural misunderstanding.
But Sudan's top clerics have called for the full measure of the law to be used against Mrs Gibbons and labelled her actions part of a Western plot against Islam.

And some muslim countries are confused at being labeled as 'backward' by western nations - we might not say it directly to your face, but we certainly think it; that's called diplomacy.
I am saddened over this whole event and whilst naivety is no excuse for not being aware, I have to say, loudly, WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!

Personally I hope Gillian Gibbons returns to the UK as soon as possible and never sets foot on Sudanese soil again, they will probably be poorer for it but it appears that's just how they like it. Should that be the case it's a shame her school kids will no longer benefit from her skills and attention.


EDIT:
some interesting and balanced thoughts in the (article and) comments at the bottom of the page here, in particular

What we really have here is a non-Muslim teacher in a school run by a non-Muslim board that allows Muslims and non-Muslims to educate and be educated together. While some would applaud this, I am sure that many "Islamists" in Sudan would be appalled at such a thing and have been waiting for an excuse to close the school down. There are bigger issues than soft toys and ignorant children and teachers.

In truth, I suspect this last is closest to the mark with this incident.