When are we going to see the end of US bashing? - Page 5

11-05-07, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by U49

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Originally Posted by waste gate

OK, tell your government to give the nukes back.

Eeehm, we are talking about the same country?
WE don't have any nukes! Neither do we store them nor do we want them, which is official policy and law.
The only nukes in germany are as far as I know sitting under US control on an airforce base and are we are waiting for the US to name the time WHEN they gone! Should be something around 20 warheads to get rid of.

Now I know where you live U49. Germany. I can more accurately answer you inquiries now. B4 I thought you were a UK guy.

Winston · 11-05-07, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by waste gate

But continue to bash the US because it is a bad nation.

Funny, as I've not bashed the United States. Nore will I ever bash the United States. It seems to me that you almost want people to insult your country. Do you not see how antagonising you are being? You say you want to talk about things but then start putting words in to peoples mouths. I'm beginning to think you really are looking for remarks that you can jump on and say “Look, there's one. A filthy America hater.” I put to you that you are not helping to change how people see you country and with this thread you are trying to provoke a reaction only to justify how you feel and how you think other people feel about your country.

May I ask what is it you expect from people when you directly antagonise them and label them something there not? I think it's obvious from what I posted previously that I don't hate the United States, far from it. I do not think America is a bad nation. And yet you see fit to say to me that I should carry on bashing. I'm really unsure as to whether you have been honest as to your motives for posting this thread.

U49 · 11-05-07, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by waste gate

Now I know where you live U49. Germany. I can more accurately answer you inquiries now.

Sorry,

I thought my national car designator in my profile told everything

11-05-07, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Winston

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Originally Posted by waste gate

But continue to bash the US because it is a bad nation.

Funny, as I've not bashed the United States. Nore will I ever bash the United States. It seems to me that you almost want people to insult your country. Do you not see how antagonising you are being? You say you want to talk about things but then start putting words in to peoples mouths. I'm beginning to think you really are looking for remarks that you can jump on and say “Look, there's one. A filthy America hater.” I put to you that you are not helping to change how people see you country and with this thread you are trying to provoke a reaction only to justify how you feel and how you think other people feel about your country.

May I ask what is it you expect from people when you directly antagonise them and label them something there not? I think it's obvious from what I posted previously that I don't hate the United States, far from it. I do not think America is a bad nation. And yet you see fit to say to me that I should carry on bashing. I'm really unsure as to whether you have been honest as to your motives for posting this thread.

You may be correct Winston. I have been agressive when it comes to defending the US, which could prevent my goal of trying to understand why others dislike the US. Thank you for pointing it out to me and I apologize to anyone offended by my defense of my country.

Winston · 11-05-07, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by waste gate

You may be correct Winston. I have been agressive when it comes to defending the US, which could prevent my goal of trying to understand why others dislike the US. Thank you for pointing it out to me and I apologize to anyone offended by my defense of my country.

Hay, no problem. You love you country, as I love mine. I thank you for hearing what I was saying.

Sea Demon · 11-05-07, 07:47 PM

The funniest thing I note is about the most popular answer in the poll currently. How "the US just doesn't understand the rest of the world". During my travels and number of years living in Europe with a USAF paycheck coming my way, it was obvious to me that most Europeans hardly understand anything about the USA much less the other areas of the world themselves. Lack of the understanding of the world is not just an American trait.

blue3golf · 11-05-07, 07:55 PM

It won't end because we are to big of a target. For some reason other countries citizens feel the need to bash us when they know only half the story. Fix your own countries first, how about that, then you can give us advice. As far as us not understanding the rest of the world, I say if it wasn't for us over the last 100 or so years they would be complaining we weren't there for them and that we are isolationists, that is if there country still existed. We will never be able to win.

11-05-07, 08:00 PM

I have been watching the poll also Sea Demon. It is interesting. My interpretation, based on other posts by some of the same people, is; that people in other nations would be OK with it if it were their idea and if they had a 'vote' in the decision.

Basically its OK if my nation does it ..... If the US does it under the GWB administration it must be bad.

Hypocracy.

stabiz · 11-05-07, 08:59 PM

Weren`t you in the brig recently?

Subnuts · 11-05-07, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by stabiz

Weren`t you in the brig recently?

Yeah, but at least he got three hot meals and a bed there.

Hakahura · 11-05-07, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by waste gate

Social welfare is just another term for mommy. As far as protecting other nations. The bear is rising. Not to mention Islam and the chinese. The US pulls out of NATO. Takes the nukes from Britain. The US owns UK nukes you know. Remove all support from Europe. Pre-WWII, peace in our time. How long before Europe explodes? History, my dear, tells the tale.

Wrong.

The UK designed and built it's own warheads.
It leases the Trident delivery system from the US.

Just so you know.

BTW

The UK designed and built its first Fission Bomb completely without US help, due to a US embargo in the late 40's early 50's on sharing nuclear technology with anyone (McMahon Act). This situation was later reversed. Kind of ironic though when you think that information passed by the UK during WWII (Maud Committee) was partly responsible for the sucess of the Manhatten Project.

US bashing..... ?
Grow up and stop being insecure.

Stealth Hunter · 11-05-07, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakahura

BTW

The UK designed and built its first Fission Bomb completely without US help, due to a US embargo in the late 40's early 50's on sharing nuclear technology with anyone (McMahon Act). This situation was later reversed. Kind of ironic though when you think that information passed by the UK during WWII (Maud Committee) was partly responsible for the sucess of the Manhatten Project.

US bashing..... ?
Grow up and stop being insecure.

That's about the 60th post I've seen on the entire Internet today that's tried to steal an invention from the US.

Assuming that you don't like that statement, consider everything else the United States has given the world:

- The airplane
- The lightbulb
- The telephone
- The telegraph
- The machine gun
- The coffee pot
- The sewing machine
- The revolver
- The repeating rifle
- The burglar alarm
- The hearing aid
- The camera
- Frozen food
- The first nuclear submarine
- The laser
- The calculator
-THE INTERNET

And many other things...

By the way, the Atomic Bomb is technically an American invention...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bomb#History

Chock · 11-05-07, 10:35 PM

I'm neither Anti-US, jealous, envious or any other variant of those notions.

This thread has clearly got very little to do with 'my goal of trying to understand why others dislike the US', for if that were the case, would you not have asked for opinions, rather than steered people toward a set of predetermined choices listed in a poll, and therefore by definition stay with views you already know of?

And, 'When are we going to see the end of US bashing?' is hardly a great opener for wanting to understand other viewpoints now is it? Where for example is the choice: 'when it stops doing things which warrant it', should anyone hold that opinion? Your question is right up there with 'when are you going to stop beating your wife?' in terms of being leading and with limited choices for answers.

The question, and selection of answers, assumes that: a) It is always taking place. b) It should stop regardless of whether it might be justified or not, which might or might not be the case, and would be of interest if you really wanted to understand such opinions. And c) That anyone who makes a comment about the US must automatically be a confirmed anti-American all the time, rather than simply expressing an opinion on a matter, or jealous, or envious, or maybe a closet communist or something. Things are not that black and white. I'll slag off Nazis all day, but it doesn't make me envious of them, does it?

I think the US is great, and its people are great too, in fact I came very close to marrying an American girl some years ago, she was great. And on top of all that, I think the US Constitution is the best in the world, but how the US conducts itself on the world stage at the behest of politicians sometimes belies that document's wisdom. So I'd like to think you wouldn't confuse someone having a pop at stupid policies with being anti-US, any more than me thinking Tony Blair is an ******* makes me anti-British, it doesn't, it make me anti-*******, and there can be a *******s on either side of the pond, and they usually do a lot of baby-kissing, instead of representing their people.

Chock

Stealth Hunter · 11-05-07, 10:47 PM

The United States is just the best flawed government in the world.

:rotfl:

kiwi_2005 · 11-05-07, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by waste gate

What do you think? Will the jealousy ever end?

No!

:rotfl:

View Poll Results: Will US bashing ever end on the GT forum
No, the US is too big of a target	12	26.67%
No, my countrymen and myself are jealous of the US power	7	15.56%
No, the US doesn't understand the rest of the world	16	35.56%
No, the US will never do what the rest of the world wants them to do	9	20.00%
No, the US is too powerfull and imperial	8	17.78%
No, the GT moderators are too PC.	3	6.67%
Yes, the US will elect a more obliging president	6	13.33%
Yes, my country will become more relevent in the world	4	8.89%
Yes, the US will adopt a more European model	4	8.89%
Yes, the US willbecome weakened	8	17.78%
Yes, the GT moderators will say its 'verbotten'	3	6.67%
No, I have another opinion and explain in this thread	9	20.00%
Yes, I have another opinion and explain in this thread	3	6.67%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 45. You may not vote on this poll

11-05-07, 08:59 PM	#69
stabiz Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 4,224 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Weren`t you in the brig recently? __________________

11-05-07, 10:35 PM	#73
Chock Sea Lord Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a thermal layer in chilly Olde England Posts: 1,842 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm neither Anti-US, jealous, envious or any other variant of those notions. This thread has clearly got very little to do with 'my goal of trying to understand why others dislike the US', for if that were the case, would you not have asked for opinions, rather than steered people toward a set of predetermined choices listed in a poll, and therefore by definition stay with views you already know of? And, 'When are we going to see the end of US bashing?' is hardly a great opener for wanting to understand other viewpoints now is it? Where for example is the choice: 'when it stops doing things which warrant it', should anyone hold that opinion? Your question is right up there with 'when are you going to stop beating your wife?' in terms of being leading and with limited choices for answers. The question, and selection of answers, assumes that: a) It is always taking place. b) It should stop regardless of whether it might be justified or not, which might or might not be the case, and would be of interest if you really wanted to understand such opinions. And c) That anyone who makes a comment about the US must automatically be a confirmed anti-American all the time, rather than simply expressing an opinion on a matter, or jealous, or envious, or maybe a closet communist or something. Things are not that black and white. I'll slag off Nazis all day, but it doesn't make me envious of them, does it? I think the US is great, and its people are great too, in fact I came very close to marrying an American girl some years ago, she was great. And on top of all that, I think the US Constitution is the best in the world, but how the US conducts itself on the world stage at the behest of politicians sometimes belies that document's wisdom. So I'd like to think you wouldn't confuse someone having a pop at stupid policies with being anti-US, any more than me thinking Tony Blair is an ***** makes me anti-British, it doesn't, it make me anti-***, and there can be a *****s on either side of the pond, and they usually do a lot of baby-kissing, instead of representing their people. Chock __________________

11-05-07, 10:47 PM	#74
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	The United States is just the best flawed government in the world.:rotfl:

11-05-07, 07:47 PM	#66
Sea Demon Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,552 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	The funniest thing I note is about the most popular answer in the poll currently. How "the US just doesn't understand the rest of the world". During my travels and number of years living in Europe with a USAF paycheck coming my way, it was obvious to me that most Europeans hardly understand anything about the USA much less the other areas of the world themselves. Lack of the understanding of the world is not just an American trait.

11-05-07, 07:55 PM	#67
blue3golf Weps Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Traverse City, MI Posts: 352 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It won't end because we are to big of a target. For some reason other countries citizens feel the need to bash us when they know only half the story. Fix your own countries first, how about that, then you can give us advice. As far as us not understanding the rest of the world, I say if it wasn't for us over the last 100 or so years they would be complaining we weren't there for them and that we are isolationists, that is if there country still existed. We will never be able to win.

11-05-07, 08:00 PM	#68
waste gate Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I have been watching the poll also Sea Demon. It is interesting. My interpretation, based on other posts by some of the same people, is; that people in other nations would be OK with it if it were their idea and if they had a 'vote' in the decision. Basically its OK if my nation does it ..... If the US does it under the GWB administration it must be bad. Hypocracy.