When are we going to see the end of US bashing?

Originally Posted by Letum

......less topics like this might be a good start.

Seriously, you must have known when starting this topic that you where posting an invitation
for conflict to all the members here who hold strong opinions on the matter.

It's a little like holding a arsonists party is a fuel dump.


I'm not saying these things shouldn't be discussed, just that a little tact when starting
the topic might make it a little less "flammable".

I'm willing to learn Letum. What would be your suggestion for making it less 'flammable'?

[antikristuseke]

I dont really think ofmyself as an US basher as such, but im pretty sure if the with us or against us mentality doesnt change there will be plenty of bashing from other parties, the world simply sint black and white.

[fatty]

Bizarrerly worded flamebait thread with a public poll... good things will come of this.

[DeepIron]

From the other thread:

Isolationism isn't the answer.

No it isn't... but neither is intruding "at will" into the affairs of other nations... Walking in "like we own the place" isn't going to make us any new friends...

Originally Posted by DeepIron

From the other thread:

No it isn't... but neither is intruding "at will" into the affairs of other nations... Walking in "like we own the place" isn't going to make us any new friends...

Tell that to Microsoft. Or the Bosnians. Or the people of Darfur who would love to have some nation stop the carnage.

Originally Posted by fatty

Bizarrerly worded flamebait thread with a public poll... good things will come of this.

I'd have thought you were serious save your vote in favor of each poll subject.

[Winston]

It depends on how one would define 'bashing'. If you mean expressing an opinion on current United States policy then as long as it worded in a thoughtful and non-insulting way then it should be fine. However, anyone who verbally attacks any country using foolish generalisations obliviously steps way out of line.
I live in Wales myself and enjoy quite a good western lifestyle. I get to do a lot of things thus I can say I'm not jealous of the United States. I think most people living in the western world would honestly tell you they are not jealous either. Most Europeans will probably have quite different views on a lot of topics then people in the United States and thus will often find themselves erupting in debate.


If I may Waste Gate I'd like to ask why you used the word jealousy? Personally if I were to look more closely at the term I might be slightly insulted myself that you'd think I'd be jealous. I'd ask myself, “Dose he think that I'd be jealous because he believes I'm worse off then the average United States citizen as I happen to live in Wales?”


Might I venture the question. Why dose it seem that there is so much 'resentment' to the United States? Might I then suggest that you review each releasable response you receive and think about these different point of view. Put yourself in there shoes and perhaps you might understand how and why there is resentment out there.


p.s. I did not vote by the way as I have no resentment toward the American people.

Originally Posted by Winston

It depends on how one would define 'bashing'. If you mean expressing an opinion on current United States policy then as long as it worded in a thoughtful and non-insulting way then it should be fine. However, anyone who verbally attacks any country using foolish generalisations obliviously steps way out of line.
I live in Wales myself and enjoy quite a good western lifestyle. I get to do a lot of things thus I can say I'm not jealous of the United States. I think most people living in the western world would honestly tell you they are not jealous either. Most Europeans will probably have quite different views on a lot of topics then people in the United States and thus will often find themselves erupting in debate.


If I may Waste Gate I'd like to ask why you used the word jealousy? Personally if I were to look more closely at the term I might be slightly insulted myself that you'd think I'd be jealous. I'd ask myself, “Dose he think that I'd be jealous because he believes I'm worse off then the average United States citizen as I happen to live in Wales?”


Might I venture the question. Why dose it seem that there is so much 'resentment' to the United States? Might I then suggest that you review each releasable response you receive and think about these different point of view. Put yourself in there shoes and perhaps you might understand how and why there is resentment out there.


p.s. I did not vote by the way as I have no resentment toward the American people.

Perhaps a better word was envy. Britain, Germany, France, et al, were powers in the past and are not now. Perhaps their populations are less than happy with their political place in the world. I didn't mean to cast aspersions on anyone's socio-economic position, nor how the see themselves.

[Winston]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Perhaps a better word was envy. Britain, Germany, France, et al, were powers in the past and are not now. Perhaps their populations are less than happy with their political place in the world. I didn't mean to cast aspersions on anyone's socio-economic position, nor how the see themselves.

For myself I don't envy the United States for it's position on the world stage. It seems to attract to much attention to it's self, to much jealousy maybe. (That's a joke there by the way). I'd like to think there's more to having pride in ones nation than it's military power or industrial muscle. One can look to it's history or take pride in sporting events. One can also take pride from ones fellow citizens who make an impact on the world stage. Scientists who discover something that changes the way we all live or a writer who changes the way people think. I think many of the smaller nations can take a lot of pride in there achievements in this regard. Perhaps taking to much pride in ones military can blind a nation to the things that really matter?


Also I don't think many normal people today envy the military force of another nation, or military force in general. However, let me say that there are many things that I admire about the United States. Cultural achievements like the moon landings for example or amazing feats or engineering like the Hover Dam. I've got to admit I plan on visiting the United States someday when I'm not so busy just to see places like the grand canyon. One could go on and on about such things I think, as you could with many Nations.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Winston

It depends on how one would define 'bashing'. If you mean expressing an opinion on current United States policy then as long as it worded in a thoughtful and non-insulting way then it should be fine. However, anyone who verbally attacks any country using foolish generalisations obliviously steps way out of line.
I live in Wales myself and enjoy quite a good western lifestyle. I get to do a lot of things thus I can say I'm not jealous of the United States. I think most people living in the western world would honestly tell you they are not jealous either. Most Europeans will probably have quite different views on a lot of topics then people in the United States and thus will often find themselves erupting in debate.


If I may Waste Gate I'd like to ask why you used the word jealousy? Personally if I were to look more closely at the term I might be slightly insulted myself that you'd think I'd be jealous. I'd ask myself, “Dose he think that I'd be jealous because he believes I'm worse off then the average United States citizen as I happen to live in Wales?”


Might I venture the question. Why dose it seem that there is so much 'resentment' to the United States? Might I then suggest that you review each releasable response you receive and think about these different point of view. Put yourself in there shoes and perhaps you might understand how and why there is resentment out there.


p.s. I did not vote by the way as I have no resentment toward the American people.

What a great post...bravo bravo.

This is the definition of "understanding".

Walk a mile in another mans shoes truly....to understand the mind of the muslim, the jew, the christian, the athesist....wow. great post. ...when you do, do that you do begin to understand.

Proverbs 2

[1] My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee;
[2] So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;
[3] Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;
[4] If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
[5] Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.
[6] For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
[7] He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous: he is a buckler to them that walk uprightly.
[8] He keepeth the paths of judgment, and preserveth the way of his saints.
[9] Then shalt thou understand righteousness, and judgment, and equity; yea, every good path.
[10] When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul;
[11] Discretion shall preserve thee, understanding shall keep thee:
[12] To deliver thee from the way of the evil man, from the man that speaketh froward things;
[13] Who leave the paths of uprightness, to walk in the ways of darkness;
[14] Who rejoice to do evil, and delight in the frowardness of the wicked;
[15] Whose ways are crooked, and they froward in their paths:
[16] To deliver thee from the strange woman, even from the stranger which flattereth with her words;
[17] Which forsaketh the guide of her youth, and forgetteth the covenant of her God.
[18] For her house inclineth unto death, and her paths unto the dead.
[19] None that go unto her return again, neither take they hold of the paths of life.
[20] That thou mayest walk in the way of good men, and keep the paths of the righteous.
[21] For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it.
[22] But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.