Diesel consumption too high in type IXB

Wolfehunter · 11-02-07, 05:22 AM

There might be another way to do it with all 3 of 9 series.

I downloaded this Type9Fuel which seems to have fixed the fuel issue. Problem is I forgot who it belonged too. It only has a IndicFuel.jpg and NSS_Uboat9_CR.sim file to show how to change the fuel comsumption and NSS_Uboat9_CR.sim file for Minitweaker to uses it for configuring

You set the new values from -0.13 to -0.086 and save. I found my traveling distance to be more realistic. I can upload it for you. Assuming I'm right about it fixing fuel issue.:hmm:

Anyhow if someone know what this is pls correct me if I'm wrong.

There was no Readme file to it.

If I'm right and then I can upload it to FF if you want.

3Jane · 11-02-07, 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfehunter

There might be another way to do it with all 3 of 9 series.

I downloaded this Type9Fuel which seems to have fixed the fuel issue. Problem is I forgot who it belonged too. It only has a IndicFuel.jpg and NSS_Uboat9_CR.sim file to show how to change the fuel comsumption and NSS_Uboat9_CR.sim file for Minitweaker to uses it for configuring

You set the new values from -0.13 to -0.086 and save. I found my traveling distance to be more realistic. I can upload it for you. Assuming I'm right about it fixing fuel issue.:hmm:

Anyhow if someone know what this is pls correct me if I'm wrong.

There was no Readme file to it.

If I'm right and then I can upload it to FF if you want.

Would this give the IXB a more realistic range. I found that 23,000 Km etc at 8 Knots to be much more than the actual performance figures I have seen for a real boat of that kind.

Klaus_Doldinger · 11-02-07, 05:58 AM

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=123431

Archive1 · 11-02-07, 10:15 PM

Werewolf: I looked at that after my last message to the forum, just thought I'd poke around with the Tweaker - but thanks for the advice. When I opened the type IX .sim file (NSS_Uboat9b_sim.txt) with MiniTweaker I find that under Diesel Propulsion the "miles surfaced=12000". That would actually seem to be enough since it's in NM not Km. But then my experience on crossing the Atlantic is opposed to those numbers. We have no way of knowing what they are based on, of course - ie, what assumptions were made by the dev team. One could always change that to some infinite number but I really don't like to mess around with something I presume (maybe incorrectly) people with more knowledge than I have decided is proper. We'll see. I still want to get to the East coast of the US for the "Happy Times".

I agree re: Km v Nm. I doubt the sub commanders were expected to convert speed in one unit into distance in another unit. I don't understand why there is no uniformity in the program.

Wolfhunter: upload your Type9file file to me if you would, please. I'd like to play with it.

From all the comments there seems to be a huge variation in experience...not too far from probable real life actually. I think we all understand the weather issue, but the speed/rpm issue remains confused. Of course, unless Racerboy can get his new rpm regulator working, I'm not sure how we can truly manipulate rpm separate from speed. Can we? And then the screws lift out of the sea in a squall, and there you go.

Wolfehunter · 11-03-07, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3Jane

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfehunter

There might be another way to do it with all 3 of 9 series.

I downloaded this Type9Fuel which seems to have fixed the fuel issue. Problem is I forgot who it belonged too. It only has a IndicFuel.jpg and NSS_Uboat9_CR.sim file to show how to change the fuel comsumption and NSS_Uboat9_CR.sim file for Minitweaker to uses it for configuring

You set the new values from -0.13 to -0.086 and save. I found my traveling distance to be more realistic. I can upload it for you. Assuming I'm right about it fixing fuel issue.:hmm:

Anyhow if someone know what this is pls correct me if I'm wrong.

There was no Readme file to it.

If I'm right and then I can upload it to FF if you want.

Would this give the IXB a more realistic range. I found that 23,000 Km etc at 8 Knots to be much more than the actual performance figures I have seen for a real boat of that kind.

It was anvarts fix. I found it on his FF site.
http://hosted.filefront.com/Anvart
If anyone wants to tweak the numbers to get a better result let us know.

TheDarkWraith · 11-03-07, 10:32 AM

The RPM dial works, sort of. You can select whatever RPM you want up to 100% RPM. The problem is the needle disappears after you have clicked on another dial or out of this dials space. It's a long explanation as to why this happens and there's no way to fix it. So I'm making a new TGA background (it's not the prettiest either but it's functional) to set the ranges of the bells in color coding so at least you know that at ahead 1/3 your RPM is somewhere in this color band. If someone with JCWolf like graphic skills can take my test TGA and make it look a whole lot better then I can make an RPM dial available for everyone to use.
I'll also need new TGA dials made for port and stbd RPM (these dials will show the RPM of the port and stbd engines).

u.Prestige · 11-03-07, 10:53 AM

Having problems with the SH3 Mini Tweaker

Would any one make a correct NSS_Uboat9_CR.sim file to fix fuel consumption

Hartmann · 11-03-07, 12:12 PM

I did a patrol in us coast during drumbeat operation an i arrive to my operations zone, in new york with 51 % of fuel remaining.
i stay there moving only a few miles (new york to norfolk) dived during the day and surfacing at night, finally i returned to lorient with only fuel for 500 km more.

it is an accurate range ???:hmm: the weather during the cruise was very rough but perfect in my patrol grid. (very good for surface gun action !!)

Archive1 · 11-03-07, 07:23 PM

I set up a test: put IXB in BE89 (1620 k from Lorient; 1330 k from Ponta Delgado; 960 k from El Ferrol; 6650 from CA55 off US coast). Flat seas, windless.

At ahead 1/3rd - Navigator gave max distance as: 8906, 12,482, 12,895 K
At ahead slow - Navigator gave max distance as: 7874, 12798, 15380 K
Manual set for 7 kts - Nav gave max distance as: 17,411, 17,049, 18,442 K

Wild results. Between each request for an est. of max distance I upped TC to 64, then reduced to 1 and let things settle down. Cannot explain such large variations. Certainly the statement that 7 kts/hour is most efficient is correct, but it's hard to maintain that consistently over time. In any case, neither 1/3rd nor slow would have permitted trip to US coast and return to Lorient.

u.Prestige -To use MiniTweaker open the program, click on Load Tweak file, select the NSS_Uboat9_CR.sim file then click the drop down list to get to diesel propulsion, note milessurfaced=12000 - enter new value and save.

Racerboy - I did understand from your UL elsewhere that there would be an rpm control for each engine (ie, port and starboard) - true? So one could run surfaced with one engine set at 0 rpm, the other at some modest number of revs.

Wolfehunter: Sorry I left the 'e' out of Wolfe...the last time. Thanks for the reference. Will review.

Wolfehunter · 11-04-07, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfehunter

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3Jane

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfehunter

There might be another way to do it with all 3 of 9 series.

I downloaded this Type9Fuel which seems to have fixed the fuel issue. Problem is I forgot who it belonged too. It only has a IndicFuel.jpg and NSS_Uboat9_CR.sim file to show how to change the fuel comsumption and NSS_Uboat9_CR.sim file for Minitweaker to uses it for configuring

You set the new values from -0.13 to -0.086 and save. I found my traveling distance to be more realistic. I can upload it for you. Assuming I'm right about it fixing fuel issue.:hmm:

Anyhow if someone know what this is pls correct me if I'm wrong.

There was no Readme file to it.

If I'm right and then I can upload it to FF if you want.

Would this give the IXB a more realistic range. I found that 23,000 Km etc at 8 Knots to be much more than the actual performance figures I have seen for a real boat of that kind.

It was anvarts fix. I found it on his FF site.
http://hosted.filefront.com/Anvart
If anyone wants to tweak the numbers to get a better result let us know.

Anvart corrected me on this issue. Apparently in the command room the fuels doesn't show right so this fixes the gauges aka fuel dials in the Type 9 Uboats.

11-02-07, 05:22 AM	#1
Wolfehunter Crusty Capt. Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,752 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 25	There might be another way to do it with all 3 of 9 series. I downloaded this Type9Fuel which seems to have fixed the fuel issue. Problem is I forgot who it belonged too. It only has a IndicFuel.jpg and NSS_Uboat9_CR.sim file to show how to change the fuel comsumption and NSS_Uboat9_CR.sim file for Minitweaker to uses it for configuring You set the new values from -0.13 to -0.086 and save. I found my traveling distance to be more realistic. I can upload it for you. Assuming I'm right about it fixing fuel issue.:hmm: Anyhow if someone know what this is pls correct me if I'm wrong. There was no Readme file to it. If I'm right and then I can upload it to FF if you want. __________________

11-02-07, 05:58 AM	#3
Klaus_Doldinger Planesman Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Madrid, España Posts: 198 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=123431 __________________ OL zS. Siegfried Rollmann, U 108 in WaW IV, 6th war patrol with GWX 3.0 Gold (111.829 BRT) Lt zS Klaus Doldinger (U 36), 4th war patrol with GWX 3.0 Gold (50.713 BRT) SH3 Cmdr 3.1 GWX 3.0 GWX 16 Km atmosphere GWX no medals on crew GWX open hatch GWX Saint Nazaire, Schleuse and units OLC GUI 1.2.7 Thomsen´s sound Torpedo damage final Rubini´s lifeboats and debris D.i.D.

11-03-07, 12:12 PM	#8
Hartmann Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grid CH 26, Spain ,Barcelona Posts: 1,857 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	I did a patrol in us coast during drumbeat operation an i arrive to my operations zone, in new york with 51 % of fuel remaining. i stay there moving only a few miles (new york to norfolk) dived during the day and surfacing at night, finally i returned to lorient with only fuel for 500 km more. it is an accurate range ???:hmm: the weather during the cruise was very rough but perfect in my patrol grid. (very good for surface gun action !!) __________________ But this ship can't sink!... She is made of iron, sir. I assure you, she can. and she will. It is a mathematical certainty. Strength and honor

11-02-07, 10:15 PM	#4
Archive1 Captain Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Washington State south of Tacoma Posts: 502 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Werewolf: I looked at that after my last message to the forum, just thought I'd poke around with the Tweaker - but thanks for the advice. When I opened the type IX .sim file (NSS_Uboat9b_sim.txt) with MiniTweaker I find that under Diesel Propulsion the "miles surfaced=12000". That would actually seem to be enough since it's in NM not Km. But then my experience on crossing the Atlantic is opposed to those numbers. We have no way of knowing what they are based on, of course - ie, what assumptions were made by the dev team. One could always change that to some infinite number but I really don't like to mess around with something I presume (maybe incorrectly) people with more knowledge than I have decided is proper. We'll see. I still want to get to the East coast of the US for the "Happy Times". I agree re: Km v Nm. I doubt the sub commanders were expected to convert speed in one unit into distance in another unit. I don't understand why there is no uniformity in the program. Wolfhunter: upload your Type9file file to me if you would, please. I'd like to play with it. From all the comments there seems to be a huge variation in experience...not too far from probable real life actually. I think we all understand the weather issue, but the speed/rpm issue remains confused. Of course, unless Racerboy can get his new rpm regulator working, I'm not sure how we can truly manipulate rpm separate from speed. Can we? And then the screws lift out of the sea in a squall, and there you go.

11-03-07, 10:32 AM	#6
TheDarkWraith Black Magic Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,962 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 5	The RPM dial works, sort of. You can select whatever RPM you want up to 100% RPM. The problem is the needle disappears after you have clicked on another dial or out of this dials space. It's a long explanation as to why this happens and there's no way to fix it. So I'm making a new TGA background (it's not the prettiest either but it's functional) to set the ranges of the bells in color coding so at least you know that at ahead 1/3 your RPM is somewhere in this color band. If someone with JCWolf like graphic skills can take my test TGA and make it look a whole lot better then I can make an RPM dial available for everyone to use. I'll also need new TGA dials made for port and stbd RPM (these dials will show the RPM of the port and stbd engines).

11-03-07, 10:53 AM	#7
u.Prestige Loader Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 85 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Having problems with the SH3 Mini Tweaker Would any one make a correct NSS_Uboat9_CR.sim file to fix fuel consumption

11-03-07, 07:23 PM	#9
Archive1 Captain Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Washington State south of Tacoma Posts: 502 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	I set up a test: put IXB in BE89 (1620 k from Lorient; 1330 k from Ponta Delgado; 960 k from El Ferrol; 6650 from CA55 off US coast). Flat seas, windless. At ahead 1/3rd - Navigator gave max distance as: 8906, 12,482, 12,895 K At ahead slow - Navigator gave max distance as: 7874, 12798, 15380 K Manual set for 7 kts - Nav gave max distance as: 17,411, 17,049, 18,442 K Wild results. Between each request for an est. of max distance I upped TC to 64, then reduced to 1 and let things settle down. Cannot explain such large variations. Certainly the statement that 7 kts/hour is most efficient is correct, but it's hard to maintain that consistently over time. In any case, neither 1/3rd nor slow would have permitted trip to US coast and return to Lorient. u.Prestige -To use MiniTweaker open the program, click on Load Tweak file, select the NSS_Uboat9_CR.sim file then click the drop down list to get to diesel propulsion, note milessurfaced=12000 - enter new value and save. Racerboy - I did understand from your UL elsewhere that there would be an rpm control for each engine (ie, port and starboard) - true? So one could run surfaced with one engine set at 0 rpm, the other at some modest number of revs. Wolfehunter: Sorry I left the 'e' out of Wolfe...the last time. Thanks for the reference. Will review.