Illegal aliens and some alarming statistics

[elite_hunter_sh3]

the mayor of Oklahoma is a role model for what the rest of the major city majors should be

[Tchocky]

SUBMAN - You make it look like the intent of every illegal is to come into the US and murder honest citizens and rape their children.

Source on those stats?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

SUBMAN - You make it look like the intent of every illegal is to come into the US and murder honest citizens and rape their children.

Source on those stats?

No - read again - 1/4 million - just because they are in my country. The others are responsible for other problems in my country. The point is - it is rediculous.

-S

[Tchocky]

46 people died every day of 2005 from drunk driving in the US.

300 million Americans to 12 million aliens. That's 25 for every illegal.
One would think that 1/25th of all drunk driving deaths would be due to illegal aliens (perhaps less, seeing as how they would have a harder time of it, if stopped by police)
But you're saying that it's between 1/4 and 1/3 of all deaths.

Source?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

46 people died every day of 2005 from drunk driving in the US.

300 million Americans to 12 million aliens. That's 25 for every illegal.
One would think that 1/25th of all drunk driving deaths would be due to illegal aliens (perhaps less, seeing as how they would have a harder time of it, if stopped by police)
But you're saying that it's between 1/4 and 1/3 of all deaths.

Source?

I don't have the link here, but google it yourself. It shouldn't be hard to find.

I'll get it when I get home if you can't find it.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Here is an article where they kill the 12 Americans:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=53103

I'm googling this by the way, so you can too! It is easy - try it.

It has your 13 AMericans killed by drunk driving Illegals in there too.

The article is from today even.

-S

[Tchocky]

I'm googling, but mostly single-issue blogs and unsourced comments are coming up.

That 95% homicide warrant part - Looks to be rubbish

http://www.penraker.com/archives/008998.html

This is not the first time Mac Donald has played fast and loose with her facts. In an article she wrote in 2004 for City Journal, “The Illegal Alien Crime Wave,” Mac Donald asserted, “In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.” The problem is, the statistic is entirely bogus — and worse it has become one of the most ubiquitous factoids used in the debate on immigration, cited in congressional testimony, repeated ad nauseum on cable news and talk radio, and has even been picked up by some otherwise sensible voices in the immigration debate. The Los Angeles Police Department does not gather information on the legal status of those arrested, much less on people — those who have outstanding warrants — that by definition they can’t find, which I confirmed in repeated conversations with the LAPD public-information office. Moreover, in 2004, the year Mac Donald wrote the piece, there were a total of 518 homicides in L.A. Now unless every murder was committed by at least three illegal aliens, none of whom was ever apprehended, Mac Donald’s 1,200-1,500 figure should have leaped out at her as obviously problematic — the 95-percent claim alone should have set off warning bells. I contacted her after Snopes.com, the Los Angeles Times, and others had debunked her assertion. She told me “The LAPD fugitive warrants section gave me that figure.” When I asked her how she explained the 1,200-1,500 figure when there were only 518 homicides in 2004, she said, “As you know, warrants are cumulative; they do not derive only from the current year. Outstanding warrants are not the same as the murder rate.” But she did not add that qualifier to her original statement — and, besides, it wouldn’t much matter if she had since the information on illegal aliens who are the subject of warrants simply isn’t available no matter what her source in the LAPD told her.

EDIT
Yeah, I found Steve King's report.

King has cited an April 2005 GAO report [8] as the source of the statistics in his editorial, but close examination of the numbers in that report do not support King's statements. King said that 28% of all inmates at each level of the US prison system (federal, state, and local) were illegal aliens. In fact, the GAO report said only that 27% of federal prisoners were "criminal aliens," a category including both legal and illegal aliens. The GAO report has no illegal alien percentage figures for state prisons and local jails, which together have 92 percent of US prisoners. It does, however, discuss State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP) inmate compensation numbers, which (when compared with total prisoner censuses in other government reports) show that only about four percent of state prisoners and 3.5 percent of local prisoners were illegal aliens. Those figures demonstrate that the supposed daily totals from King's editorial exaggerate the real numbers by seven times or more.

That's just from wiki, I already don't like the look of this guy.

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

the mayor of Oklahoma is a role model for what the rest of the major city majors should be

Damn straight. He was on Lou Dobbs last night, right? Went head-to-head with some guy saying that everyone is against Latinos, which is just a smokescreen.

No one is against "Latinos". We're against ILLEGALS. Love the way they always try to make it look like anyone enforcing laws is a BAD PERSON for doing so.

"We are here illegally, yes, but we are now in the millions, so by default, you have to give us rights, so there."

Sorry, but I don't buy it.

They love the jobs, don't pay taxes, use Social Security, public assistance money meant to assist US CITIZENS is used for THEIR benefit without their first putting money INTO the system, etc. I believe the correct definition for something like that is a leach. Leaches are best removed from the body, as they serve little, if any, useful function.

[DeepIron]

5 out of 10 on the FBIs Most Wantd List are Latinos:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fug.../fugitives.htm

C'mon, the writing is on the wall here... When you open the flood gates, the rubbish floats in with the rest of the water...

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by DeepIron

5 out of 10 on the FBIs Most Wantd List are Latinos:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fug.../fugitives.htm

C'mon, the writing is on the wall here... When you open the flood gates, the rubbish floats in with the rest of the water...

I questioned the 95% warrant thing myself, but regardless, you are right - it really doesn't matter. We have not a minor problem, but a major one and it is out of control - the flood gates are open.

-S

[bradclark1]

After all is said and done. Cut down on illegals equals cutting down on crime. Thats enough reason. A difference of percentage points doesn't matter.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Cut down on illegals equals cutting down on crime. Thats enough reason. A difference of percentage points doesn't matter.

I'd argue that cutting down on illegal immigration is not the most efficient way to cut crime, and reasoning that they are equal is rather absurd.

Also, I'd question an argument that uses misleading and abused statistics. It doesn't lend credence to the proposition.

5 out of 10 on the FBIs Most Wantd List are Latinos:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fug.../fugitives.htm

Since when does Latino = illegal? Also, one of those Latinos is from New York, another is a Colombian citizen wanted for activities in Colombia.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

it doesnt matter, there are over 34 million illegal immigrants in the US.. doesnt the word ILLEGAL come into mind?? they are breaking the law, and immigrants in the US who break the law get DEPORTED, kick every single illegal immigrant, round them up like sheep, then put them on a few planes of busses, send em back to mexico, tell them to fix their country before they decide to screw up the U.S

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I'd argue that cutting down on illegal immigration is not the most efficient way to cut crime, and reasoning that they are equal is rather absurd.

Also, I'd question an argument that uses misleading and abused statistics. It doesn't lend credence to the proposition.

Since when does Latino = illegal? Also, one of those Latinos is from New York, another is a Colombian citizen wanted for activities in Colombia.

Must be easy to say that from across the sea there, but I still don't get how you can't draw a coloration between the two. Ahh - illegals = major crime problems. Removing illegals = no more crime, and 9125 Americans who will not be killed.

Are you just mentally challenged? They account for an abnormal amount of crime per population capita, so what is there not to get?

-S

PS. When the FBI says someone is from New York, that means that is where they are residing. This is not telling what their immigration status is. 99% chance he is an illegal.

[DeepIron]

Since when does Latino = illegal?

I didn't say that. I said 5 out of 10 on the list were latinos, a statement of fact. Your "logic" sounds very close to the rhetoric used by legal and illegal latinos in this country to justify the *illegal* immigration of their countrymen...

Also, one of those Latinos is from New York, another is a Colombian citizen wanted for activities in Colombia.

So, New York isn't part of the US? And the Columbian is wanted for criminal activities against the US. So is bin Laden for that matter...

The math is simple, fewer Latinos, illegal or otherwise, means less crime from the latino sector. You can apply this logic using any other ethnic/socio-political/religious group you want. It just so happens that we have more of a problem with latinos right now...

As I suspect that you don't live in the US, I would find it hard to believe that you have the same perspective as those of us who do...

Last year, two people that I know personally, in my little agricultural community of 3100 were literally run over by an illegal in a truck while they were riding their bicycles on a side street. Both lived thankfully, but are now physically handicapped for life.

The illegal? Well, seeing as they lived, he'll do some time, at my expense as a taxpayer, in prison then be sent back across the border... I'm sure he'll be back...