Should the US Navy move the fleet out of harm's way?

[Camaero]

Yeah, cause that brought us to our knees. ^^

Originally Posted by Camaero

Yeah, cause that brought us to our knees. ^^

If by 'us' you mean Monica Lewinsky, I'd say yes it did.

[bigboywooly]

Originally Posted by Camaero

Yeah, cause that brought us to our knees. ^^

Didnt say it did
The quote included with the pic said no one messes with the USN

[Kapitan]

personnaly i think ships are more at risk tied up in home port, at least when they are at sea they can move out of the way of an incoming threat like a motor boat full of explosives, you cant do that tied to a dock.

Whats more you need to have your forces spread out slightly what would happen if they moved all the pacific fleet to alaska and another country over ran hawai ? be falklands repeat.

whats more the wosman really need to take a reality check SS-N-19 and 22's are fully capible of putting a carrier out of action, and with the chinese and russians getting close along with the indians theres going to be some worrying problems to come.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

personnaly i think ships are more at risk tied up in home port, at least when they are at sea they can move out of the way of an incoming threat like a motor boat full of explosives, you cant do that tied to a dock.

Whats more you need to have your forces spread out slightly what would happen if they moved all the pacific fleet to alaska and another country over ran hawai ? be falklands repeat.

whats more the wosman really need to take a reality check SS-N-19 and 22's are fully capible of putting a carrier out of action, and with the chinese and russians getting close along with the indians theres going to be some worrying problems to come.

Good points

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

personnaly i think ships are more at risk tied up in home port, at least when they are at sea they can move out of the way of an incoming threat like a motor boat full of explosives, you cant do that tied to a dock.

Whats more you need to have your forces spread out slightly what would happen if they moved all the pacific fleet to alaska and another country over ran hawai ? be falklands repeat.

whats more the wosman really need to take a reality check SS-N-19 and 22's are fully capible of putting a carrier out of action, and with the chinese and russians getting close along with the indians theres going to be some worrying problems to come.

Well in all fairness to the 'poon its not designed for the same mission as the N-19 and N-22. It was designed for Anti-Sub work belive it or not. It was ment for P-3s to shoot at surfaced Russian subs back when they need to surface to fire their SLBMs.

The Harpoon has one advantage over the 19 and 22 in that it can be launched from many diffrent platforms most importantly from aircraft. I think the most any aircraft can carry is 1 or 2 N-22 while a simaler sized aircraft can carry 4+ Harpoons.

The US never had any reason to build weapons like the N-19 and N-22 because the Russians never had a huge fleet of advanced surface ships until the end of the cold war, which at that point the US Sub advantage negated them.

If the US built a ship along the same lines as a Russian Sov or Kirov at that time it probaly would have something like a couple of hundred Harpoons, four twin arm SAM launchers, three SH-2s and more ASROCs than you can shake a stick at. But we figure that a LA boat with a couple of dozen MK 48s would work much better.

[Kapitan]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Well in all fairness to the 'poon its not designed for the same mission as the N-19 and N-22. It was designed for Anti-Sub work belive it or not. It was ment for P-3s to shoot at surfaced Russian subs back when they need to surface to fire their SLBMs.

The Harpoon has one advantage over the 19 and 22 in that it can be launched from many diffrent platforms most importantly from aircraft. I think the most any aircraft can carry is 1 or 2 N-22 while a simaler sized aircraft can carry 4+ Harpoons.

The US never had any reason to build weapons like the N-19 and N-22 because the Russians never had a huge fleet of advanced surface ships until the end of the cold war, which at that point the US Sub advantage negated them.

If the US built a ship along the same lines as a Russian Sov or Kirov at that time it probaly would have something like a couple of hundred Harpoons, four twin arm SAM launchers, three SH-2s and more ASROCs than you can shake a stick at. But we figure that a LA boat with a couple of dozen MK 48s would work much better.

Again that is very true why spend $100 million when you can spend just $1 ? if a 688i armed up with adcaps and TASM whats the need for a large battery?

Thats where the soviets went wrong they spent and spent and spent on multiple platforms, which ment there had to be experts in all platforms just to maintain them which ment cost.

if you notice the americans have one frigate class perry class, one destroyer class the burke class, one cruiser class: tico class, and they have numbers in each and they all are capible of doing either ASW ASuW or AAW missions.

The russians have the sovvys for ASM and AAW the uddys For ASW now for example if they put both designes together in a cruiser form, they would have one ship thats capible of doing everything rather than 2 ships capible of only bits and pieces.

It would cut down on the number of techs needed, the number of specialist dry docks, training costs would be down, and also less cost can mean a few more ships.

[sonar732]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

One reason the USN transformed the 4 ohio class SSBN's is because the cost of maintaining thiem in thier SSBN role, they could have easily kept on and re modeld a few newer 688i's but what they have now in the new SSGN is a very good platform, that costs less.

Actually, the main reason was because of the SALT treaty limited the number of Ohio class boats by four, and then the Clinton administration decided to limit it by four more boats and wanted to give them a new mission instead of scrapping them completely.

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by sonar732

Actually, the main reason was because of the SALT treaty limited the number of Ohio class boats by four, and then the Clinton administration decided to limit it by four more boats and wanted to give them a new mission instead of scrapping them completely.

This is true ...

The new SSGN's will be a weapon of choice someday. Controlled from deep in the mountains of Colorado by the way. I wonder who gives the final command to launch when the missiles aren't armed with nukes?

The president?

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

Again that is very true why spend $100 million when you can spend just $1 ? if a 688i armed up with adcaps and TASM whats the need for a large battery?

Thats where the soviets went wrong they spent and spent and spent on multiple platforms, which ment there had to be experts in all platforms just to maintain them which ment cost.

if you notice the americans have one frigate class perry class, one destroyer class the burke class, one cruiser class: tico class, and they have numbers in each and they all are capible of doing either ASW ASuW or AAW missions.

The russians have the sovvys for ASM and AAW the uddys For ASW now for example if they put both designes together in a cruiser form, they would have one ship thats capible of doing everything rather than 2 ships capible of only bits and pieces.

It would cut down on the number of techs needed, the number of specialist dry docks, training costs would be down, and also less cost can mean a few more ships.

Actually the US Navy had many classes of ship only recenlty has it cut down to one for each ship type. It was called High-Low, we had both High Capablity/High Cost ships and Low Capablity/Low Cost ships of each class. We had two Frigate Classes the Knox (High) and the OHP (Low), We had two Destroyer Classes Spruance (Low) and Burke (High), and numorous Cruiser class (Virginia, Californa, Truxtun, Belknap, Bainbridge, Leahy, and Longbeach). Bainbridge was a High Leahy, Belknap and Californa was a High Truxtun. With the Virginia they started to become a High only force.