Other shipping affected by bad weather?

seafarer · 10-25-07, 12:00 PM

Go ahead and laugh - soon you'll have your share of your own

moments to share with us and smile about.

If you use the external camera and watch some ships in really nasty weather, you will actually see them taking damage. Some will start to list sometimes, or get low by the bow or stern, or slow down to a crawl. Even, fires will break out on their own!

Of course, then you'll also see some little coastie, or a narrow beamed small warship, plowing along beam-on to monstrous waves, and think, what the... Since any ship not taking such waves bow on would surely be in BIG trouble.

There's a show on the Discovery channel here, "Deadliest Catch" that's been running for a fair number of years now. It follows the Alaskan crab fisheries in the Bering Sea. The various crab species are fished in the late fall, winter and early spring months, so the weather is, predicably, often unbelievably bad. Watching 90ft to 150ft ships, in seas that may reach 40ft (or one rogue wave caught on tape that had to be 60ft or more - rolled one of the ships clean onto her side, busted the captains ribs, shut off the engines when they lost oil pressure - she righted herself though and they got back without aid). Anyhow, it makes you appreciate how important a skilled helmsman is in heavy seas, and how much the sea can dictate what direction you WILL be steaming in for awhile. That aspect of sea conditons and navigation is not modeled in SHIII or SHIV.

I was once in the NE Pacific in a 210ft ship in 35-40ft seas - I cannot imagine hanging out in a storm on a u-boat conning tower - that must almost qualify as insane by some standards I'd suppose.

P.S. google for a web site with the key words "Heavy Seas" - amazing images!

examples:

Rykaird · 10-25-07, 12:38 PM

Many a time in the typically rough weather off of the north Irish coast, I've picked up a hydrophone contact, mapped out my intercept point, and then sat there and waited, and waited, and waited, and the ship just never seems to get any closer. When I used to use the external camera, it would turn out to be some poor tramp steamer, nose buried in the high seas, prop spinning in the air, making a whopping quarter knot. She would be slowly sinking nose first.

I've restarted my career again (I still maintain that 1944 never arrives, because I've yet to see it) and this trip out, I was following my escort north out of Wilhelmshaven. The escort then turned east, beached itself on the bank and burned. Must have been pretty embarassing for him.

Siara · 10-25-07, 02:05 PM

Reading this id like to ask another question:

Do the rough seas slow down the torpedos?

It looks to me that way. On numerous occasions i witnessed (even at the distance less than 1.5 km) that torpedos do not hit the ship in the intended point.

Sometimes when the seas are realy rough , they miss altogether.

Should i try deflection shot?

U49 · 10-25-07, 02:07 PM

I think it is more that rough sea affect the calculated speed of your target.

I usually aim (manual targeting) to much in front of my target, when we are in heavy seas

Biggles · 10-25-07, 02:12 PM

Seen small patrolboats go down under due to obvious reason, but since it's always happens during big storms....well....:hmm:

3Jane · 10-25-07, 04:22 PM

I encountered this escort, going down in a heavy sea without any intervention from me. It wouldn't sink, it's stern end rising from where it is in this picture to near vertical. But it kept firing.

Stealth Hunter · 10-25-07, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 3Jane

I encountered this escort, going down in a heavy sea without any intervention from me. It wouldn't sink, it's stern end rising from where it is in this picture to near vertical. But it kept firing.

Get me a godd**n medal. The crew of that ship deserve nothing less than silver stars.

minute · 10-25-07, 02:06 PM

I'm in early 1943. I love rough weather. Rough weather is my friend. Good weather is bad. Good weather has this things that fly and drop nasty stuff at my sub.

Oberon · 01-07-08, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by seafarer

There's a show on the Discovery channel here, "Deadliest Catch" that's been running for a fair number of years now. It follows the Alaskan crab fisheries in the Bering Sea. The various crab species are fished in the late fall, winter and early spring months, so the weather is, predicably, often unbelievably bad. Watching 90ft to 150ft ships, in seas that may reach 40ft (or one rogue wave caught on tape that had to be 60ft or more - rolled one of the ships clean onto her side, busted the captains ribs, shut off the engines when they lost oil pressure - she righted herself though and they got back without aid). Anyhow, it makes you appreciate how important a skilled helmsman is in heavy seas, and how much the sea can dictate what direction you WILL be steaming in for awhile. That aspect of sea conditons and navigation is not modeled in SHIII or SHIV.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=l_8hOai9hGQ

seafarer · 01-07-08, 12:23 PM

Actually, I found the video I was remembering

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0aa_1178767829 (also on YouTube ).

The fishing vessel is the Aleutian Ballad, a 100ft Aft-wheel house crabber. They estimated the wave had to be more then 60ft or so.

Ivan Putski · 01-07-08, 12:53 PM

I`m in a hell of a storm at the moment, 15 meters per sec. wind speed, doing all I can to make headway, just SE of Cork, Ireland. I`ve had several single contacts, but unable to close with them, visibility is terrible on top of everything else. I noticed my watch crew did`nt have rain gear on, so I brought them below, then back to the bridge, all snug in their rain slickers. I`ve had this weather for 12 days, heading back to base before my fuel gets critical.

Ula Jolly · 01-07-08, 02:06 PM

15m/s storms are really not among the worst. Between 20-30m/s, most platforms have to give up. Indeed I am sorry SH3 has 15m/s as the worst storms. I'd have liked to see them worse.

Destroyers in particular - historically at least - did not perform very well in such rough seas as these. My mind drifts toward the battle of the North Cape. Not only did the leader of the German destroyer flotilla long struggle against these waves, dramatically reducing his speed, but admiral Bey on the Scharnhorst could at one point, though damaged, have outsailed the British destroyer, since lighter ships don't fare so well in headwind as heavier ships.

There could probably have been even worse seas than those that are in the game now, and if there were, I'd love to see the crew green-faced!

Reduced efficiency and whatnot.

trongey · 01-07-08, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ula Jolly

15m/s storms are really not among the worst. Between 20-30m/s, most platforms have to give up. Indeed I am sorry SH3 has 15m/s as the worst storms. I'd have liked to see them worse.

Destroyers in particular - historically at least - did not perform very well in such rough seas as these. ...

This account from the Pacific theatre in 1944 shows just how devastating weather could be to warships:

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December 18 - A typhoon east of the Philippines heavily damages the Third Fleet. The destroyers USS Hull (DD-350), USS Monaghan (DD-354), and USS Spence (DD-512) are sunk. The light carriers USS Cowpens (CVL-25), USS Monterey (CVL-26), USS Cabot (CVL-28), and USS San Jacinto (CVL-30); escort carriers USS Altamaha (CVE-18), USS Nehenta Bay (CVE-74), USS Cape Esperance (CVE-88), and USS Kwajalein (CVE-98); light cruiser USS Miami (CL-89); destroyers USS Dewey (DD-349), USS Aylwin (DD-355), USS Buchanan (DD-484), USS Dyson (DD-572), USS Hickox (DD-673), USS Maddox (DD-731) and USS Benham (DD-796); destroyer escorts USS Melvin R. Nawman (DE-416), USS Tabberer (DE-418) and USS Waterman (DE-740); oiler USS Nantahala (AO-60) and fleet tug USS Jicarilla (ATF-104) are damaged.

I can't find the picture right now, but I've seen one showing one of the damaged destroyers with it's whole bow sheared off. Talk about limping home!

Sailor Steve · 01-07-08, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by trongey

I can't find the picture right now, but I've seen one showing one of the damaged destroyers with it's whole bow sheared off. Talk about limping home!

Not just destroyers:

Sailor Steve · 01-07-08, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ula Jolly

15m/s storms are really not among the worst. Between 20-30m/s, most platforms have to give up. Indeed I am sorry SH3 has 15m/s as the worst storms. I'd have liked to see them worse.

Destroyers in particular - historically at least - did not perform very well in such rough seas as these. My mind drifts toward the battle of the North Cape. Not only did the leader of the German destroyer flotilla long struggle against these waves, dramatically reducing his speed, but admiral Bey on the Scharnhorst could at one point, though damaged, have outsailed the British destroyer, since lighter ships don't fare so well in headwind as heavier ships.

There could probably have been even worse seas than those that are in the game now, and if there were, I'd love to see the crew green-faced!

Reduced efficiency and whatnot.

I use the double-size waves, so it represents about 30 m/s.

As for destroyers, I served on one, and you're right: bad weather is nasty. The funny thing is, while they sink easily in the game, the little Flowers rolled and bobbed over the big waves, and actually fared better than the longer, thinner DDs.

10-25-07, 12:00 PM	#1
seafarer Commodore Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 622 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Go ahead and laugh - soon you'll have your share of your own moments to share with us and smile about. If you use the external camera and watch some ships in really nasty weather, you will actually see them taking damage. Some will start to list sometimes, or get low by the bow or stern, or slow down to a crawl. Even, fires will break out on their own! Of course, then you'll also see some little coastie, or a narrow beamed small warship, plowing along beam-on to monstrous waves, and think, what the... Since any ship not taking such waves bow on would surely be in BIG trouble. There's a show on the Discovery channel here, "Deadliest Catch" that's been running for a fair number of years now. It follows the Alaskan crab fisheries in the Bering Sea. The various crab species are fished in the late fall, winter and early spring months, so the weather is, predicably, often unbelievably bad. Watching 90ft to 150ft ships, in seas that may reach 40ft (or one rogue wave caught on tape that had to be 60ft or more - rolled one of the ships clean onto her side, busted the captains ribs, shut off the engines when they lost oil pressure - she righted herself though and they got back without aid). Anyhow, it makes you appreciate how important a skilled helmsman is in heavy seas, and how much the sea can dictate what direction you WILL be steaming in for awhile. That aspect of sea conditons and navigation is not modeled in SHIII or SHIV. I was once in the NE Pacific in a 210ft ship in 35-40ft seas - I cannot imagine hanging out in a storm on a u-boat conning tower - that must almost qualify as insane by some standards I'd suppose. P.S. google for a web site with the key words "Heavy Seas" - amazing images! examples: __________________ My Father's ship, HMCS Waskesiu (K330), sank U257 on 02/24/1944 running SHIII-1.4 with GWX2.1 and SHIV-1.5 with TMO/RSRDC/PE3.3 under MS Vista Home Premium 32-bit SP1 ACER AMD Athlon 64x2 4800+, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 400GB SATA HD Antec TruePower Trio 650watt PSU BFG GeForce 8800GT/OC 512MB VRAM, Samsung 216BW widescreen (1680x1050) LCD Last edited by seafarer; 10-25-07 at 12:13 PM.

10-25-07, 02:05 PM	#3
Siara Grey Wolf Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mitcham/London Posts: 818 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Reading this id like to ask another question: Do the rough seas slow down the torpedos? It looks to me that way. On numerous occasions i witnessed (even at the distance less than 1.5 km) that torpedos do not hit the ship in the intended point. Sometimes when the seas are realy rough , they miss altogether. Should i try deflection shot? __________________ Master Models

10-25-07, 02:07 PM	#4
U49 Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: D/Niedersachsen Posts: 777 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think it is more that rough sea affect the calculated speed of your target. I usually aim (manual targeting) to much in front of my target, when we are in heavy seas __________________ SH3 battle capability upgrades: GWX2.0, JSGME2.0, SH3Commander 2.7, SH3Gen 0.8.2, TorpDamageMod 2.0, OLC GUI 1.1.5 Awaiting combat readiness for GWX2.0: SH4 effetcs for SH3, SH3Weather 1.5 Following development of: www.subwolves.com Realism: 90%

10-25-07, 02:12 PM	#5
Biggles Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sweden (I'm not a Viking...) Posts: 3,529 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Seen small patrolboats go down under due to obvious reason, but since it's always happens during big storms....well....:hmm: __________________

10-25-07, 04:22 PM	#6
3Jane Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: York. Northern England. Posts: 1,004 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I encountered this escort, going down in a heavy sea without any intervention from me. It wouldn't sink, it's stern end rising from where it is in this picture to near vertical. But it kept firing. __________________ Fate opposes me in vitality and morality, forced ever onward, burdened, always in shackles. So this very moment, without tarrying, pluck the quivering strings. Because fate punishes the one who plays, all lament with me. (http://hosted.filefront.com/KatherineRowan)

10-25-07, 12:38 PM	#2
Rykaird Weps Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 356 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Many a time in the typically rough weather off of the north Irish coast, I've picked up a hydrophone contact, mapped out my intercept point, and then sat there and waited, and waited, and waited, and the ship just never seems to get any closer. When I used to use the external camera, it would turn out to be some poor tramp steamer, nose buried in the high seas, prop spinning in the air, making a whopping quarter knot. She would be slowly sinking nose first. I've restarted my career again (I still maintain that 1944 never arrives, because I've yet to see it) and this trip out, I was following my escort north out of Wilhelmshaven. The escort then turned east, beached itself on the bank and burned. Must have been pretty embarassing for him.

10-25-07, 02:06 PM	#8
minute Loader Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 87 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm in early 1943. I love rough weather. Rough weather is my friend. Good weather is bad. Good weather has this things that fly and drop nasty stuff at my sub.

01-07-08, 12:23 PM	#10
seafarer Commodore Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 622 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Actually, I found the video I was remembering http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0aa_1178767829 (also on YouTube ). The fishing vessel is the Aleutian Ballad, a 100ft Aft-wheel house crabber. They estimated the wave had to be more then 60ft or so. __________________ My Father's ship, HMCS Waskesiu (K330), sank U257 on 02/24/1944 running SHIII-1.4 with GWX2.1 and SHIV-1.5 with TMO/RSRDC/PE3.3 under MS Vista Home Premium 32-bit SP1 ACER AMD Athlon 64x2 4800+, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 400GB SATA HD Antec TruePower Trio 650watt PSU BFG GeForce 8800GT/OC 512MB VRAM, Samsung 216BW widescreen (1680x1050) LCD

01-07-08, 12:53 PM	#11
Ivan Putski Captain Join Date: May 2005 Location: Memphis, Tn. U.S.A. Posts: 548 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	I`m in a hell of a storm at the moment, 15 meters per sec. wind speed, doing all I can to make headway, just SE of Cork, Ireland. I`ve had several single contacts, but unable to close with them, visibility is terrible on top of everything else. I noticed my watch crew did`nt have rain gear on, so I brought them below, then back to the bridge, all snug in their rain slickers. I`ve had this weather for 12 days, heading back to base before my fuel gets critical. __________________ " Is He?..........Yeah..........Nothing Moving, But His Watch."

01-07-08, 02:06 PM	#12
Ula Jolly Samurai Navy Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 567 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	15m/s storms are really not among the worst. Between 20-30m/s, most platforms have to give up. Indeed I am sorry SH3 has 15m/s as the worst storms. I'd have liked to see them worse. Destroyers in particular - historically at least - did not perform very well in such rough seas as these. My mind drifts toward the battle of the North Cape. Not only did the leader of the German destroyer flotilla long struggle against these waves, dramatically reducing his speed, but admiral Bey on the Scharnhorst could at one point, though damaged, have outsailed the British destroyer, since lighter ships don't fare so well in headwind as heavier ships. There could probably have been even worse seas than those that are in the game now, and if there were, I'd love to see the crew green-faced! Reduced efficiency and whatnot. __________________ I shall punish yee, landlubber! C'mere for spankings and popsicles!