Really getting tired of Bush...

[The WosMan]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Clintonists past what they new on to the Bush. Osama was known about during the Clinton admin. Heck, even Oliver North stated he was afraid of the guy. There was subway bombings and bombing in the parking garage at the world trade centers. It was out there but Clinton refused to acknowledge it. Enlightened as to the Clintonists.

Don't forget the USS Cole.

[DeepIron]

How do you think guys like Kennedy are elected over and over again? They create a dependancy on the government's services and they get to keep their jobs where they control all that money.

And how is the "here and now" any different? Geez, don't confuse "dependancy" with responsible law making... (of which there has been damn little of over the last 30 years or so).
To quote Jerry Reed: "She got the goldmine, I got the shaft." I'm tired of getting "shafted"...

The Golden Rule: He who controls the gold, makes the rules.

[AVGWarhawk]

So that's why Sandy Berger was running out of the Pentagon with his pants stuffed with documents. The path to 9/11 was a long one, most of which was ignored completely by BJ Billy.

Yes, this was ignored for 8 years. Bush got stuck holding the bag! Darn guy was reading a book to some grade school kids. Sure, they were helping him with the big words but none the less.

[The WosMan]

HA.......yep

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by The WosMan

And you think government officials in control of that are any better? How do you think guys like Kennedy are elected over and over again? They create a dependancy on the government's services and they get to keep their jobs where they control all that money. There is no difference. The only people who are deserving of free healthcare are those who have given their health or their limbs for the service of our country.

Im not talking about free healthcare, im talking about tax funded healthcare for all citizens. That makes healthcare accessible to everyone who pays taxes as a service provided by the government. There is no incentive here not to treat people because if there is a budget surplus for whatever reason it does not go into the pockets of anyone. This solution will allso be a lot cheaper for everyone instead of paying ridiculously high insurance premiums. Ofcourse this system isnt perfect and has some inherant problems, but systems of natinalised healthcare seem to function a damn sight better than privatized ones.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by The WosMan

The children of this country are not suffering by any means.

That's strange, because the US has the highest child poverty rate in the developed world. link

Funny though how the same group of politicians that seem to care so much about children have no problems with allowing people to kill them before they are born. Before that comment sets in, that is just my honest opinion, I am not looking to open another can of worms, I just find it hypocritical....that is all.

Well yes, it's a difference of opinion. One politician will consider it murder, the other a medical procedure where no life is taken. No hypocrisy when they're not starting from the same base assertion.

[AVGWarhawk]

Im not talking about free healthcare, im talking about tax funded healthcare for all citizens.

There is free healthcare. Just visit any emergency room and see it at work. The ER has turned into the family doctor. What, are they going to turn you away while you are bleeding from the jugular? Nope. But guess what, those like me who pay for my families healthcare pay a premium to cover those that choose to use the ER like the family doctor and have no coverage. They know they will get the help and they use it without blinking an eye.

[AVGWarhawk]

Anyway men, before this gets ugly and I hope it does not, I really do not have the answer and I suspect Capital Hill does not either. Now or whoever takes the reigns.

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

There is free healthcare. Just visit any emergency room and see it at work. The ER has turned into the family doctor. What, are they going to turn you away while you are bleeding from the jugular? Nope. But guess what, those like me who pay for my families healthcare pay a premium to cover those that choose to use the ER like the family doctor and have no coverage. They know they will get the help and they use it without blinking an eye.

There are people who abuse the system, yes, but that has got nothing to do with nationalized vs privatized healthcare since those abusing the system can do so regardless.

Edit: Yeah, it would indeed be nice if everything stayed civil

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

It was out there but Clinton refused to acknowledge it. Enlightened as to the Clintonists.

Please show anything that says that?

Edit: http://archive.salon.com/politics/fe...01/09/12/bush/

[DeepIron]

There is free healthcare. Just visit any emergency room and see it at work.

Yeah, the Hypocratic Oath at work...

But guess what, those like me who pay for my families healthcare pay a premium to cover those that choose to use the ER like the family doctor and have no coverage. They know they will get the help and they use it without blinking an eye.

Yeah, going to the emergancy room for a hangnail is a little extreme... but it happens...

Well, that's about the truth of it... And a prime reason why the health care system needs to be overhauled. I agree with AK, I'd much rather see my tax $$$ supporting a health care system that all CITIZENS can benefit from instead of funding this insane war...

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

There is free healthcare. Just visit any emergency room and see it at work. The ER has turned into the family doctor.

The problem with this is if you don't own anything you have free health care. If you own anything (your house) you are not eligible. That is the problem with unaffordable health care. There is no middle ground.

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Hate to enlighten you but nothing of this scope happened under the Clintonistas. It happened under the Buck-a-roo's. And we all know the Buck-a-roo's knew an attack was coming but ignored it.

I never thought you a 'truther'. Now I know.

WTC 1993. If was taken seriously then three thousand wouldn't have died on 9/11 and you wouldn't be blaming the Bush administration now. Eight years of talk didn't stop them did it?


For the record Mr. Berger took the documents from the National Archive and to this day hasnot complied with his plea which included taking a lie detector examination.
Why hasn't that been pushed by the Bush justice department?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Please show anything that says that?

Edit: http://archive.salon.com/politics/fe...01/09/12/bush/

Read it here. The terrorists were darn busy during Clinton watch.

http://store.nationalreview.com/arch...%0929%09%09rel

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by waste gate

If was taken seriously then three thousand wouldn't have died on 9/11 and you wouldn't be blaming the Bush administration now. Eight years of talk didn't stop them did it?

You keep thinking that.

WTC 93 - People went to jail.