Really getting tired of Bush...

[The WosMan]

The war. Now, lets looks back at how gunho America was to get the 'party started' in Iraq after 9/11. The Dems backed them all the way. Go get'em Buck-a-roo Bush! Yee-ha! Now that we are losing and look like a bunch of chumps, time to pack up the football and head on home. Sounds fine and dandy but America is part of this mess in Iraq and the whole area right now is very volatile. Turkey is looking over the board to gun down the Kurds.

Is that a nail I hear being hit square on the head? Let's not forget the Democrats most recent blatant anti-american, lets put the troops lives in jeopardy by declaring an event that happened 80 years ago a genocide so we can have the Turks go into Iraq and create a larger mess. 90% of our supplies in Iraq come through what country???? Anyone? Anyone? TURKEY of course!!!!!!!!!!

Even though it didn't happen, it may be too late already, the Turks were insulted by our Congress.....thanks Pelosi. Sometimes I think we need to bring back the Committee on Anti-American affairs.

[AVGWarhawk]

Per DeepIron

What the hell has gone wrong with this country?? Now, we use our kids as "cannon fodder" for an ongoing political power struggle? I frankly could care less about whether or not any particular political party scores "points" against the other. American politics have degenerated to the point of utter futility...

I agree 100%. America is tired of the Bush clan and the Clinton clan. Time for a new face with fresh ideas. The political jockeying during campaigning make ones stomach turn.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Per Deepiron

This new program would hurt the kids more. There would be an influx of people who can afford healthcare without government support. Allowing these people to do this takes away liquid assets that would normally go to those that really need the support. It was a bad deal all around and after the veto, and the house failing to override the veto would state that.

For some the issues are too deep AVGWarhawk. You have a handle on it.

[The WosMan]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Per DeepIron

I agree 100%. America is tired of the Bush clan and the Clinton clan. Time for a new face with fresh ideas. The political jockeying during campaigning make ones stomach turn.

I agree, now if we can only get that pesky cloning technology to work we could have another Reagan.........

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by The WosMan

Is that a nail I hear being hit square on the head? Let's not forget the Democrats most recent blatant anti-american, lets put the troops lives in jeopardy by declaring an event that happened 80 years ago a genocide so we can have the Turks go into Iraq and create a larger mess. 90% of our supplies in Iraq come through what country???? Anyone? Anyone? TURKEY of course!!!!!!!!!!

Even though it didn't happen, it may be too late already, the Turks were insulted by our Congress.....thanks Pelosi. Sometimes I think we need to bring back the Committee on Anti-American affairs.

It is to late already. The cat is out of the bag. The progressive-secular march of dems has created nothing but headache after headache. If at all possible, it would be nice to clean house of all in Washington and get some new thinkers in there. Currently the thinkers we have are interested in their own retirement plan.

[DeepIron]

The children of this country are not suffering by any means. Funny though how the same group of politicians that seem to care so much about children have no problems with allowing people to kill them before they are born.

Don't confuse a religious/philosophical issue with a fiscal/political one...

I raised 7 kids and I'm raising 2 grandkids. I make good money and I can afford health care for them. I know people who have kids and can't... Not because they aren't hard workers, but because health care is out of reach for them. They make too much for assistance but not enough for health coverage. The health insurers and the HMOs have certainly created issues...

But it's a funny thing... They pay their taxes, just like you and I. Is it so much to ask that we make some provisions for health care for their children? Instead, we'll continue to throw their tax dollars and ours into the hole we call the Iraqi War... or continue to provide welfare to illegals...

BTW, yes, the Constitution does "provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;"

Seems like we're spending an inordinate amount on "Defense" and less on the "general Welfare", IMO...

[AVGWarhawk]

I agree, now if we can only get that pesky cloning technology to work we could have another Reagan.........

Reagan May man! Unfortune there is no one who could fill his shoes. Such a shame.

[AVGWarhawk]

Per DeepIron

Seems like we're spending an inordinate amount on "Defense" and less on the "general Welfare", IMO...

It does not seem like we are. We are spending to much on defense but in the sense of monies handed over to the developers of weapons. The contracts that are offered up to companies to develop weapons is just astounding. They are getting to be really fat cats.

Currently, I believe the money Bush is asking for is to support what we have going on now, not in more development of new weapons.

[The WosMan]

Originally Posted by DeepIron

Don't confuse a religious/philosophical issue with a fiscal/political one...

I raised 7 kids and I'm raising 2 grandkids. I make good money and I can afford health care for them. I know people who have kids and can't... Not because they aren't hard workers, but because health care is out of reach for them. They make too much for assistance but not enough for health coverage. The health insurers and the HMOs have certainly created issues...

But it's a funny thing... They pay their taxes, just like you and I. Is it so much to ask that we make some provisions for health care for children? Instead, we'll continue to throw their tax dollars and ours into the hole we call the Iraqi War...

BTW, yes, the Constitution does "provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;"

Seems like we're spending an inordinate amount on "Defense" and less on the "general Welfare", IMO...

You know, it really never seemed to be a problem before. I don't see what has changed, especially considering the average American makes more than in the history of this country. We just seem to want more and more. However, as others have pointed out several times now, the issue is much deeper, mainly due to stupid legislation. What they wanted will make things worse.

Reagan May man! Unfortune there is no one who could fill his shoes. Such a shame.

Very true. The best.

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by waste gate

The muslim terrorists got the party started with 9/11. Thinking that the US was as weak as the Clintonistas.

But that has nothing at all to do with Iraq, absso****inglutely nothing.

Now for healthcare, that i belive to be one of those services provided by the govrernment to all CITIZENS and payed for by taxes, illegals can kindly go **** themselves. The main reason i think like this is that private helath insurance companies are only motivated by profit and profit margins, they will do what ever it takes NOT to pay anything back, while i do agree that greed is generaly a driving force behind progress, healthcare is not one of those cases.

Edit.

Originally Posted by The WosMan

Is that a nail I hear being hit square on the head? Let's not forget the Democrats most recent blatant anti-american, lets put the troops lives in jeopardy by declaring an event that happened 80 years ago a genocide so we can have the Turks go into Iraq and create a larger mess. 90% of our supplies in Iraq come through what country???? Anyone? Anyone? TURKEY of course!!!!!!!!!!

Even though it didn't happen, it may be too late already, the Turks were insulted by our Congress.....thanks Pelosi. Sometimes I think we need to bring back the Committee on Anti-American affairs.

Well it was a genocide, though this is a horrible time to reckognize it as such openly, it doesnt change the fact

[DeepIron]

Currently, I believe the money Bush is asking for is to support what we have going on now, not in more development of new weapons.

According to the "media", repair and replenish is what it's for... However, I can't believe for a moment, that part of that would be diverted into new weapon research... Maybe it's just me being paranoid (or pragmatic, take your pick).

You know, it really never seemed to be a problem before. I don't see what has changed, especially considering the average American makes more than in the history of this country. We just seem to want more and more. However, as others have pointed out several times now, the issue is much deeper, mainly due to stupid legislation. What they wanted will make things worse.

Honestly, I can't see how it could get much worse... Yes, I know there are arguments on both sides of this issue and it's easy to see from the posts the political alignment of the posters.

I guess I'd feel better "taking it in the shorts" if I thought I could get better care for kids... Irrational, perhaps... but I'd do the health care thing in a New York second rather than fund the Iraqi War any further...

[Tchocky]

I think private companies probably could do a better job of cleaning that up as well. Where I work we have a company that comes out and recycles all of our old computer components and parts. You know those CRT monitors are just filled with lead and mercury. However, nothing wrong with a little nuclear waste though, how else are we going to ween ourselves off those horrible polluting fossil fuels so we can save the planet from the ravaging effects of global warming? Today I can say I have met a Constitutional scholar from Europe!

Private recycling companies do a great job, but there needs to be a legislative framework in place; not every positive aspect of a clean enviroment pays back in hard cash.
I was really getting to the idea that the Constitution did not foresee everything, and shouldn't be used as a legislative divider. A good idea is a good idea regardless of whether or not it is mentioned in the Constitution. Same as bad ideas :p

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by waste gate

The muslim terrorists got the party started with 9/11. Thinking that the US was as weak as the Clintonistas.

Hate to enlighten you but nothing of this scope happened under the Clintonistas. It happened under the Buck-a-roo's. And we all know the Buck-a-roo's knew an attack was coming but ignored it.

[The WosMan]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

But that has nothing at all to do with Iraq, absso****inglutely nothing.

Now for healthcare, that i belive to be one of those services provided by the govrernment to all CITIZENS and payed for by taxes, illegals can kindly go **** themselves. The main reason i think like this is that private helath insurance companies are only motivated by profit and profit margins, they will do what ever it takes NOT to pay anything back, while i do agree that greed is generaly a driving force behind progress, healthcare is not one of those cases.

And you think government officials in control of that are any better? How do you think guys like Kennedy are elected over and over again? They create a dependancy on the government's services and they get to keep their jobs where they control all that money. There is no difference. The only people who are deserving of free healthcare are those who have given their health or their limbs for the service of our country.

Hate to enlighten you but nothing of this scope happened under the Clintonistas. It happened under the Buck-a-roo's. And we all know the Buck-a-roo's knew an attack was coming but ignored it.
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So that's why Sandy Berger was running out of the Pentagon with his pants stuffed with documents. The path to 9/11 was a long one, most of which was ignored completely by BJ Billy.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Hate to enlighten you but nothing of this scope happened under the Clintonistas. It happened under the Buck-a-roo's. And we all know the Buck-a-roo's knew an attack was coming but ignored it.

Clintonists past what they new on to the Bush. Osama was known about during the Clinton admin. Heck, even Oliver North stated he was afraid of the guy. There was subway bombings and bombing in the parking garage at the world trade centers. It was out there but Clinton refused to acknowledge it. Enlightened as to the Clintonists.