Really getting tired of Bush...

Many topics here. I will try to address each.

Health care: Vetoed because it allowed people with incomes upto USD$ 80,000/year to have government care for their children which was designed for the poor (SCHIP). Why aren't you upset over the 'rich' getting free healthcare?
If you make that much cash you can afford private health care. Even at $1,000/month.

The Democrat controlled congress has always said it supported the troops so this should be a no brainer for them, regardless of what GW says on the CNN. Unless of course they were not being honest.
What Harry Reid says, by his own admission, is of little value, unless of course if he hits the Moveon/ G. Soros talking points.

[The WosMan]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Many topics here. I will try to address each.

Health care: Vetoed because it allowed people with incomes upto USD$ 80,000/year to have government care for their children which was designed for the poor (SCHIP). Why aren't you upset over the 'rich' getting free healthcare?
If you make that much cash you can afford private health care. Even at $1,000/month.

The Democrat controlled congress has always said it supported the troops so this should be a no brainer for them, regardless of what GW says on the CNN. Unless of course they were not being honest.
What Harry Reid says, by his own admission, is of little value, unless of course if he hits the Moveon/ G. Soros talking points.

Well apparently Reid and Limbaugh had a big french kiss and made up and Harry was endorsing Limbaugh's letter as a good cause. I wonder if Harry, with his millions, and his 3 sons with their crooked lobbyist jobs made any contributions to the troops like Limbaugh has? I know not only has Limbaugh been a chairperson for over 10 years on the Marine Corps charity that this EBay auction raised money for but he also matched the bid by giving over 2,000,000 of his own money to its foundation.

[AVGWarhawk]

Like Wastegate said...many topics here.

The war. Now, lets looks back at how gunho America was to get the 'party started' in Iraq after 9/11. The Dems backed them all the way. Go get'em Buck-a-roo Bush! Yee-ha! Now that we are losing and look like a bunch of chumps, time to pack up the football and head on home. Sounds fine and dandy but America is part of this mess in Iraq and the whole area right now is very volatile. Turkey is looking over the board to gun down the Kurds. The same thing Sadam was up to but he prefered gas. Putin is hanging in Iran. Yet, another volatile situation. America is setting up missiles in Poland pointed at our cold war buddies. Sooner or later it will come crashing down. The democratic congress is just as befuddled as the rest concerning pulling out or 'stay the course' as Buck-a-roo likes to say. No matter how we look at it, we are going to be there a very long time. Our presence in the region was there with the Clinton years. The torch is just past to the next. Again, see it for face value, election year coming up, dems want control of all. They attempt smear campaign after smear campaign and push Hillary like crack cocaine. The media is in a frenzy and it is very evident that the likes of CBS and CNN (Clinton News Network) constantly push the 'Bush is an idiot button'. Yet, look at Fox News and get a different picture painted. One really needs to look at all the news networks to get a complete picture. It is up to the individual to make the assessment of what is really happening. There is so much political postering one can not keep it straight.

"Congress should not go home for the holidays while our troops are still waiting for the funds they need," he said.

Darn straight! They should have their butts in there getting the situation under control but we find the likes of Senator Craig in the mens room looking for some loving. This stupid story spends more time on the headlines than the war. This is were Americas priorities lay. It is sickening. Oh, and lets talk about Britney Spears some more.

IMHO, we should stay the course. If not, we are only just going to be over there again after some boarding country decides they need more land and resources. After all, this is how wars are started. One country is running out of resources so they look to thy neighbor for them. Like I said, pull out and we will be right back sporting M16 for some other reason. Our presence needs to be there. Our troops do need our support. They need the 200 billion for body armor and such. This is part of 'supporting our troops'.

The terrorist network is very much active. This is evident as seen daily with bombings, etc.

Bush is not my best buddy but under the current circumstances, I believe that anyone in the oval office right now would be seen as a fool and an idiot.

The muslim terrorists got the party started with 9/11. Thinking that the US was as weak as the Clintonistas.

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by waste gate

The muslim terrorists got the party started with 9/11. Thinking that the US was as weak as the Clintonistas.

But that has nothing at all to do with Iraq, absso****inglutely nothing.

Now for healthcare, that i belive to be one of those services provided by the govrernment to all CITIZENS and payed for by taxes, illegals can kindly go **** themselves. The main reason i think like this is that private helath insurance companies are only motivated by profit and profit margins, they will do what ever it takes NOT to pay anything back, while i do agree that greed is generaly a driving force behind progress, healthcare is not one of those cases.

Edit.

Originally Posted by The WosMan

Is that a nail I hear being hit square on the head? Let's not forget the Democrats most recent blatant anti-american, lets put the troops lives in jeopardy by declaring an event that happened 80 years ago a genocide so we can have the Turks go into Iraq and create a larger mess. 90% of our supplies in Iraq come through what country???? Anyone? Anyone? TURKEY of course!!!!!!!!!!

Even though it didn't happen, it may be too late already, the Turks were insulted by our Congress.....thanks Pelosi. Sometimes I think we need to bring back the Committee on Anti-American affairs.

Well it was a genocide, though this is a horrible time to reckognize it as such openly, it doesnt change the fact

[The WosMan]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

But that has nothing at all to do with Iraq, absso****inglutely nothing.

Now for healthcare, that i belive to be one of those services provided by the govrernment to all CITIZENS and payed for by taxes, illegals can kindly go **** themselves. The main reason i think like this is that private helath insurance companies are only motivated by profit and profit margins, they will do what ever it takes NOT to pay anything back, while i do agree that greed is generaly a driving force behind progress, healthcare is not one of those cases.

And you think government officials in control of that are any better? How do you think guys like Kennedy are elected over and over again? They create a dependancy on the government's services and they get to keep their jobs where they control all that money. There is no difference. The only people who are deserving of free healthcare are those who have given their health or their limbs for the service of our country.

Hate to enlighten you but nothing of this scope happened under the Clintonistas. It happened under the Buck-a-roo's. And we all know the Buck-a-roo's knew an attack was coming but ignored it.
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So that's why Sandy Berger was running out of the Pentagon with his pants stuffed with documents. The path to 9/11 was a long one, most of which was ignored completely by BJ Billy.

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by The WosMan

And you think government officials in control of that are any better? How do you think guys like Kennedy are elected over and over again? They create a dependancy on the government's services and they get to keep their jobs where they control all that money. There is no difference. The only people who are deserving of free healthcare are those who have given their health or their limbs for the service of our country.

Im not talking about free healthcare, im talking about tax funded healthcare for all citizens. That makes healthcare accessible to everyone who pays taxes as a service provided by the government. There is no incentive here not to treat people because if there is a budget surplus for whatever reason it does not go into the pockets of anyone. This solution will allso be a lot cheaper for everyone instead of paying ridiculously high insurance premiums. Ofcourse this system isnt perfect and has some inherant problems, but systems of natinalised healthcare seem to function a damn sight better than privatized ones.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by waste gate

The muslim terrorists got the party started with 9/11. Thinking that the US was as weak as the Clintonistas.

Hate to enlighten you but nothing of this scope happened under the Clintonistas. It happened under the Buck-a-roo's. And we all know the Buck-a-roo's knew an attack was coming but ignored it.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Hate to enlighten you but nothing of this scope happened under the Clintonistas. It happened under the Buck-a-roo's. And we all know the Buck-a-roo's knew an attack was coming but ignored it.

Clintonists past what they new on to the Bush. Osama was known about during the Clinton admin. Heck, even Oliver North stated he was afraid of the guy. There was subway bombings and bombing in the parking garage at the world trade centers. It was out there but Clinton refused to acknowledge it. Enlightened as to the Clintonists.

[The WosMan]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Clintonists past what they new on to the Bush. Osama was known about during the Clinton admin. Heck, even Oliver North stated he was afraid of the guy. There was subway bombings and bombing in the parking garage at the world trade centers. It was out there but Clinton refused to acknowledge it. Enlightened as to the Clintonists.

Don't forget the USS Cole.

[DeepIron]

How do you think guys like Kennedy are elected over and over again? They create a dependancy on the government's services and they get to keep their jobs where they control all that money.

And how is the "here and now" any different? Geez, don't confuse "dependancy" with responsible law making... (of which there has been damn little of over the last 30 years or so).
To quote Jerry Reed: "She got the goldmine, I got the shaft." I'm tired of getting "shafted"...

The Golden Rule: He who controls the gold, makes the rules.

[AVGWarhawk]

So that's why Sandy Berger was running out of the Pentagon with his pants stuffed with documents. The path to 9/11 was a long one, most of which was ignored completely by BJ Billy.

Yes, this was ignored for 8 years. Bush got stuck holding the bag! Darn guy was reading a book to some grade school kids. Sure, they were helping him with the big words but none the less.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

It was out there but Clinton refused to acknowledge it. Enlightened as to the Clintonists.

Please show anything that says that?

Edit: http://archive.salon.com/politics/fe...01/09/12/bush/

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Hate to enlighten you but nothing of this scope happened under the Clintonistas. It happened under the Buck-a-roo's. And we all know the Buck-a-roo's knew an attack was coming but ignored it.

I never thought you a 'truther'. Now I know.

WTC 1993. If was taken seriously then three thousand wouldn't have died on 9/11 and you wouldn't be blaming the Bush administration now. Eight years of talk didn't stop them did it?


For the record Mr. Berger took the documents from the National Archive and to this day hasnot complied with his plea which included taking a lie detector examination.
Why hasn't that been pushed by the Bush justice department?

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by waste gate

If was taken seriously then three thousand wouldn't have died on 9/11 and you wouldn't be blaming the Bush administration now. Eight years of talk didn't stop them did it?

You keep thinking that.

WTC 93 - People went to jail.