Jap Merchant AI Gunnery

peterloo · 10-14-07, 10:01 AM

p.s. we can destroy the gun mount, but seems that the gun has a huge HP, it is at least as strong as the hull for a curiser.

While there is a shield, meaning that the gun can substain some fire before getting destroyed, I believe that the shock induced, the heat energy released by explosive, compounded by energy radiating from the burning hell below the gun in the cargos, make the crews unable to touch the gun, fearing the glowing gun will cause a severe burn.

Steeltrap · 10-14-07, 01:56 PM

Peterloo, you're pretty much spot on. The guns DO fire even while the ship sinks/burns. Also, the shield is largely for weather and shell splinter protection. No way will a direct hit not destroy the gun (or at least the crew). I totally agree the gunnery is over the top.

My initial response was to indicate that US subs didn't use their guns all that often. A torp hit (or two) was enough to ensure a sinking. Tang used hers to fire on an atoll against enemy gun positions while racing to rescue downed aircrews, but otherwise not unless the target was too small to warrant a torp and had no significant guns of its own.

TM seemed to do some work on toning down merchant gunnery.

Cheers

Powerthighs · 10-15-07, 01:58 PM

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Fact is that USA sub commanders would not engage armed Jap merchant ships. The Japs were very good gunners generally and, with a poor/non-existant convoy system, merchants did expect to defend themselves. What's more, a single hit from any decent gun (3" or greater) had a very real chance of leaving the sub crippled.

In other words, you shouldn't be exchanging gunfire with ANY Jap ship, be it Navy or merchant.

That is actually not absolutely true. I am in the middle or reading Silent Victory, and there are many examples of commanders using their deck guns against ships of various sizes, including some who were armed and shooting back.

jdkbph · 10-15-07, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Powerthighs

That is actually not absolutely true. I am in the middle or reading Silent Victory, and there are many examples of commanders using their deck guns against ships of various sizes, including some who were armed and shooting back.

By choice?

JD

Captain Vlad · 10-15-07, 05:06 PM

I disabled the guns on a couple of ships the last patrol I played, but I haven't patched to 1.3 yet. Did the difficulty of taking out the enemy's armament increase with the patches?

stedz · 10-15-07, 05:21 PM

iv triad to blow the guns of but havent ben abel to but i can blast a destroyer to bits with the 4in gun and win agans it without a singal hit. id have thought we should be abel to destroy merchant guns but not the destroyer ones.

Powerthighs · 10-15-07, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Powerthighs
That is actually not absolutely true. I am in the middle or reading Silent Victory, and there are many examples of commanders using their deck guns against ships of various sizes, including some who were armed and shooting back.

By choice?

JD

Here's one example from page 459:

"North of Marcus Island, Wylie found a large (600-ton) patrol craft and rashly ordered another battle surface. The patrol craft fought back fiercely, spraying Scorpion with machine-gun fire. 'We didn't do too well with our gun,' Schratz said later. 'Our aim was poor and we had a bad lot of ammo.' Reggie Raymond, manning a Browning automatic rifle on the bridge, was killed by enemy gunfire and Schratz and three of the gunners were wounded."

10-14-07, 10:01 AM	#1
peterloo Commander Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 462 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	p.s. we can destroy the gun mount, but seems that the gun has a huge HP, it is at least as strong as the hull for a curiser. While there is a shield, meaning that the gun can substain some fire before getting destroyed, I believe that the shock induced, the heat energy released by explosive, compounded by energy radiating from the burning hell below the gun in the cargos, make the crews unable to touch the gun, fearing the glowing gun will cause a severe burn. __________________ Romeo is here, but where is Juliet? The 中国水兵 (Chinese Sailor) in subsim

10-15-07, 05:06 PM	#5
Captain Vlad Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pollard, Oklahoma Posts: 679 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I disabled the guns on a couple of ships the last patrol I played, but I haven't patched to 1.3 yet. Did the difficulty of taking out the enemy's armament increase with the patches? __________________ "Stop sounding battlestations just to hear the alarm."

10-15-07, 05:21 PM	#6
stedz Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Posts: 10 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	iv triad to blow the guns of but havent ben abel to but i can blast a destroyer to bits with the 4in gun and win agans it without a singal hit. id have thought we should be abel to destroy merchant guns but not the destroyer ones. __________________ Hi

10-14-07, 01:56 PM	#2
Steeltrap Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 818 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Peterloo, you're pretty much spot on. The guns DO fire even while the ship sinks/burns. Also, the shield is largely for weather and shell splinter protection. No way will a direct hit not destroy the gun (or at least the crew). I totally agree the gunnery is over the top. My initial response was to indicate that US subs didn't use their guns all that often. A torp hit (or two) was enough to ensure a sinking. Tang used hers to fire on an atoll against enemy gun positions while racing to rescue downed aircrews, but otherwise not unless the target was too small to warrant a torp and had no significant guns of its own. TM seemed to do some work on toning down merchant gunnery. Cheers