"Legalise all drugs"

[Steel_Tomb]

:rotfl::rotfl::rotflk the mad mulla of the traffic taleban (Richard Brunstrom) has officially lost his mind. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pressass/20...6323e80_2.html

Hes currently under investigation for showing pictures of a decapitated motorcyclist in a anti-speeding campaign WITHOUT getting permission from the family. Hes got a history of rediculous and controversial proposals. Now he wants drugs to be legalised??? Madness!

...or is it just a cover so he can go smoke without fear of prosicution lol...for some of the stuff he comes up with it wouldn't surprise me if he was a crack head! :rotfl:

[jumpy]

I have to agree...












...that the current system of prohibition has failed on all fronts to prevent, curtail or otherwise hinder the use, trafficking and sale of drugs.
Rather than burying our heads in the sand going 'lalalalalalalala drugs are illegal and bad mmmkay?' and refusing to try anything new to solve the problem, we ought to consider ideas that, whilst might not show up very well for a politicians reputation as a squeaky clean self promoting weathervane, may provide an avenue of progress to reduce the consumption of these substances.

At the very least the seriously addictive drugs like heroin would fall under the supervision of medical staff and remove the criminal element both selling and committing crime to fund a life of endless addiction.

Anything has got to be better than the current mess we are in which is so far away from helping the issue.

[Steel_Tomb]

Well if you think about it a majority of drugs have to be imported. If we had tighter customs laws and monitored our boarders more effectively, there would be less of a problem. There are alternatives to get people off drugs too like methadone etc. By legalising drugs it would make it harder to get people off them. You couldn't touch dealers because they would then say "whats the problem, its legal!"
I personally think such a move would be a big step back. Yes, perhaps a review of the law is needed, but to legalise all drugs is pure insanity! It hardly sends out the message of "don't do drugs" to younger people like myself...more like "go ahead, we don't care, you won't get in trouble for it!"

[Letum]

I think everyone should have as much freedom as they can up until a point where they
a nuisance or a hazard to other peoples property, freedoms, person or rights.

Now, you could take drugs without causing a nuisance or a hazard to other peoples
property, freedoms, person or rights. However, for most drugs, more often than not,
this is not the case.

Therefore I think they should remain illegal; which is a shame.

[Steel_Tomb]

The other problem, is while the may not be an immidiate threat to others, the damage they will suffer in terms of mental illnesses from drugs costs the NHS money, money which at the moment is desperately needed.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

The other problem, is while the may not be an immidiate threat to others, the damage they will suffer in terms of mental illnesses from drugs costs the NHS money, money which at the moment is desperately needed.

Well, I think the NHS should be able to claim money or refuse treatment to people who
cause them selves injury or illness whist being in sound mind.

[jumpy]

Putting a smackhead in prison because they committed theft to fund a habit they cannot break is not helping them to quit. Removing dealers from the equation removes the need for the junkie to steal to furnish his habit and having the drugs in a controlled environment where purity can be assessed, preventing deaths from overdose etc means the chances of doctors being able to wean users off their addiction are significantly improved.
As an example I think it'd work rather well. Trouble is it first requires admission that the current system helps no-one. Bring on the finger pointing and blame game politicians.

For many years I have had a job and responsibility whilst at the same time enjoying the occasional tipple of various things. For those that can behave in a reasonable manner, being labelled a criminal because I favour one activity over going into town on a friday or saturday night, drinking a skin-full then having a fight, seems to me to be part of the root of the problem. Like prostitution, drugs are a social taboo (despite the fact that just about everybody uses them) that we sweep under the carpet rather than facing up to the truth. People like to get high; since the dawn of civilisation man has searched for ways to get off his face for any number of social, cultural or religious reasons. Modern drug use differs very little in this respect. All that has changed is our perception of it.

I don't believe drugs ought to be 'freely available to the public'. In the case of heroin the priority must be netting existing users and usurping their street supply with properly controlled distribution centres. In the case of other lesser class substances, possession ought not to be a criminal offence if there is no indication of intent to supply. The current hypocrisy where the government taxes two quite dangerous and insidious drugs whilst in the same breath declaring everyone else who uses substances that (in essence) are not currently taxable is what I consider to be criminal. Things are changing with that last one, but very slowly.

As far as health issues and the money to treat them is concerned, we hardly suffer from a pandemic of mental illness or disease as a direct result of the consumption of drugs. A better argument for the correct spending of money on our NHS could be satisfied in the following manner:

"Chuck another couple of hospitals on the fire"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mai.../sofron111.xml
Construction of these modern day folly's differs nought from the past where rich lords would have a building constructed for the sake of displaying their wealth- look how much cash I can waste on something with no purpose! Except for the fact that they are spending taxpayers money to do this.

Prestigious event? Yes. A complete waste of money that could be better allocated elsewhere? Damn right.

The same applies to the allocation of billions of pounds to developing nations that stubbornly refuse to stay developed. Look after and secure the welfare of your own addicts, homeless people and poor first then you can start thinking about your debt to relieving other nations who require help. That's only common sense. 'Meet the Natives' on UK tv the other week illustrated this very well when the 'primitive' tribesmen came to see the wonders of modern society and were astounded and shocked that we have people living rough on the streets in the midst of so much splendour and affluence. How can this be? they asked incredulously . How indeed.

I pay national insurance an lead a moderate lifestyle, so any injury I sustain as a result of my occasional indulgence I have already paid for, that thus far most of nhs spending seems to go to managers, useless computer systems and treatment of those who contribute nothing in return is what I object to.

The whole system of control of drugs needs to be changed and managed by people who actually live in the real world, not some guy in a wig at the top of an ivory tower, who most likely enjoys a line of coke as much as the next guy.
And it's that last that puts the whole situation into horrible perspective for me.

[bookworm_020]

Ask the people who have to dael with theose on the drug ICE (police, medical wokers) and see if they want open season on drugs! I think not!

http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/...l11359_fm.html

http://www.salvos.org.au/need-help/the-facts/ice.php

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by bookworm_020

Ask the people who have to dael with theose on the drug ICE (police, medical wokers) and see if they want open season on drugs! I think not!

http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/...l11359_fm.html

http://www.salvos.org.au/need-help/the-facts/ice.php

We just did, and he said we should legalize them (enter topic post article). You ask a lefty if he thinks drugs should be legal... he's crazy. Ask a cop if they should be legal... he says they should... he's one in a million and crazy... as the millions of status quo sluts that haven't got any imagination and they support the existing system that is only promoting drug trafficing.

The good old fashiopned appeal to authority is meaningless and of course is conveniently changed when someone who is of the preferred authority pipes up out of line with whats expected.

Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

Well if you think about it a majority of drugs have to be imported. If we had tighter customs laws and monitored our boarders more effectively, there would be less of a problem.

Yea... sure... Israel has problems with Palestinians getting guns from outsides sources... they lock down the borders, sea ports, and airports tighter than the pope's voting record and STILL enough weapons get in for Israel to justify continued KABOOMing of the general area. Gaza is petite compared to any border in the Western world, especially a european one given the advent of the EU, same for Canada-US in how they want NAFTA to become a means to dissolve all borders.

So attacking the symptom as is often the like of silly nits is totally ineffective and of course proven so. The symptom is the abuse, and the cause is different. I don't pretend to have a hard and fast solution or a PHD to tell you why everyone who dopes does, but I know its not because of opportunity. Trials with legalization and government controlled drug sources have proven that not only does legalization point towards lower instances of crime but also it causes the junkie to reconsider his situation much more often. Think about it, if you had to walk into a government office everyday to get your fix and while you sat in the waiting room you had all those lovely posters in front of you and you saw this person everyday that said "I'll help you if you want" maybe its better than sitting in a crackhouse all day buzzing then coming down, then being cold and crazy and then stealing some stuff to pay for your next fix.

The logic cited above however is cleanly ignored as utopian or insane or naiive or whatever. All I know is that statistics prove that the drug war does nothing but make drug dealers rich by making the market value of a drug too high to not be worth selling. Preventing trafficking is only possible as a preventative action. Once the drugs hit the streets you can't help but get 1% of them if you're lucky. Borderds will always be too porous to prevent them entering the countries and the only way to get it all or most of it would be to search every car truck airplane and freight package and that would destroy the economy so that we'd worry about bigger things than little Sue's bad ass boyfriend getting her hooked on Ice.

Thats the gospel of crazy-lefty as I see it.

[CptSimFreak]

Which country legalized marijuana and has no problem with 'drug' crime? Hmmm....they must be wrong. Let's preemptively invade them on behalf of 'moral-religious' grounds.


Government will take any possible router to make most stupidest law which it will not able to enforce.

[Skybird]

Having come around a bit amongst hospital staff, escpecially clinical therapists, psychologists and doctors, I must say I still wait for the first person from these groups who would not frown when mentioning the possibility of legalizing heavy drugs in general. As my professor in psychopathology once put it, long years ago: "Why I am against legalising heroin for crime-related reasons only? For the same reason why I am against recommending people to inhale their car's emissions, or consume arsenic." Yes, I know there are projects experimenting with state-controlled distribution of heavy drugs, or surrogates. I also know the link between drug consummation and drug-related crime. But legalizing drugs because of that? No. At best strictly controlled projects where junkies sign in, accepting to be controlled and to be under strict surveillance, and then being assisted in de-contamination, resocialising - with a positive social prognosis as a precondition for being allowed into such a project. The unfortunate truth (that I expect many not to like to hear) is that there are many cases were all hope simply is lost. Such a project also (necessarily) means obligatory most fundamental changes in social settings, cutting of friendships, and drastic changes in living environments, to brake all contact to the former scene the junkie had known. This is most essential, since else the probability is extremely high his former "friends" will bring him down again.If needing to estimate a general value how many can be helped this way, how many really have a realistic chnace, remembering some experiences and talks from the past: at best one in five, I was told by the practicing staff - at best.Drugs destroy, killing families, body, and soul - slowly. Legalizing them in general for whatever well-meant reasons or crime-related considerations can in no way be ethically justified.

[P_Funk]

There is of course the assumption that legalizing drugs will compel people to use them more or that it will make the problems for users worse. If anything the impact of drug use will be less harsh on people since the relative cost of the drugs will be down from the absurd inflated cost of prohibition, and also it will help reduce the stigma attached to it which barres much of our own perception from accepting new ideas. Lastly how many young people try taboo things for the very reason they are taboo? Sure some people seek them out but making it taboo is a sure fire way to draw in people directly who are looking for that kind of thing. At the very least criminalized drugs are absurd. Half the connections I criminal will make for his life of crime come from prison. Many people pick up drug habits in jail. The concept of a criminalization of drugs is the first stage of the problem. At the very least thats where people can start to maybe meet in common ground for discussing where next it could go.

[bookworm_020]

If you legalize all drugs will here be safe dosage limits? Will you pick them up from the supermarket? Will you be able to claim them back on your tax???

The reason that these drugs are banned is due to the unsafe side effects and addictive pattens that can evolve from there use. Some these issues will only show years later.

Some may say pot is not all that harmless, but where does it lead? (If you can remember!). I have seen what an addiction can do to a person from a first person view point. The Drug problem isn't just a crime issue, a social issue, or a health issue, it's all three.

May I suggest that Richard Brunstrom be drug tested? It might show what he's on so he can get some treatment!!

[kiwi_2005]

Ban Tobbaco!

[Iceman]

Mark 7
[15] There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
[16] If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
[17] And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
[18] And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
[19] Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
[20] And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
[21] For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
[22] Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
[23] All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.


People need to take responsability for they're own actions and not try to blame a thing....All things on this Earth were put here for man to use and partake of...save one....to snub the nose up at things because "man" says so is foolish...yet at the same time it is man that can still throw you into jail for not obeying the current law of the land.

The golden rule is Love....love worketh no ill and if thy brother is offended by thou eating meat or partaking of a thing, it becomes sin to you to cause offense for him.

If thou eatest meat thou doest good but not at the price of the little ones.

Faith is the key.