Tribute to Abraham: Eternal Patrol

geetrue · 10-09-07, 03:00 PM

Abraham was the only one I knew that could stand toe to toe with Avon Lady in a shoot out, name the subject.

Good-bye Abraham ... sorry you had to go early

The Avon Lady · 10-09-07, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geetrue

Abraham was the only one I knew that could stand toe to toe with Avon Lady in a shoot out, name the subject.

Good-bye Abraham ... sorry you had to go early

I've just come back from a wedding to find this terrible news. Abraham was a forum friend, as much as that's possible.

As much as we sometimes debated, we more often agreed. Our conversations by PM were always cordial and interesting.

He had a bright, peaceful outlook on life. May he rest in peace and may his family be consoled by who he was.

HunterICX · 10-09-07, 04:31 PM

I cant even get out any words for this crime, its just too horrible..

''Rust in vrede'' Abraham.

Sailor Steve · 10-09-07, 04:48 PM

I didn't really know him, but still I read a lot of his writing, and find this quite depressing.

Biggles · 10-09-07, 05:13 PM

Farewell Abraham. I did not know you, but your death is a loss for the world, I am sure.

Sharkstooth · 10-09-07, 05:31 PM

What a horrible loss.
I'm glad I had the pleasure to meet him in Monnickendam.
I remember him fondly.

Onkel Neal · 10-09-07, 05:35 PM

I-25 · 10-09-07, 08:00 PM

What a unfair world

poor abraham. i may not be a 24/7 Subsim poster but Abraham, everybody knew his post's, he'll be sorely missed. My condolences to his family.

kiwi_2005 · 10-09-07, 09:13 PM

Farewell Abraham.

d@rk51d3 · 10-09-07, 09:58 PM

LydiaTamarZeegers · 10-15-07, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Quote:

Originally Posted by geetrue

Abraham was the only one I knew that could stand toe to toe with Avon Lady in a shoot out, name the subject.

Good-bye Abraham ... sorry you had to go early

I've just come back from a wedding to find this terrible news. Abraham was a forum friend, as much as that's possible.

As much as we sometimes debated, we more often agreed. Our conversations by PM were always cordial and interesting.

He had a bright, peaceful outlook on life. May he rest in peace and may his family be consoled by who he was.

Thank you very much.. Im the daughter of Abraham / Bram Zeegers..
I've never been on this site before and i have know idea how this works..
My father has told me about you.. And also to my mother.. Because my mother is also jewish.. And my father told me that you are a strong woman from Israel..
I Miss Him Very Much.. He means the world to me and now my life is incomplete..

And i think that my father would appreciate all the kinds words that the people are saying about him.. And that i response on the messages ( if you know what i mean.. I am good in english but nog very good

But i am trying )

Onkel Neal · 10-15-07, 05:35 PM

Hello Lydia,

I really enjoyed meeting your father and spending a little time with him at the 2005 Subsim meeting in Monnickendam. He had a great tour prepared for us and was an excellent host. It was my first time in Netherlands and I left with a very good impression, thanks in part to Abraham. Over the last three years I communicated with him a great deal by e-mail and the forums, where he was a moderator. I really miss him, and I know the Subsim community will always be a man short in our meetings, discussions, and voyages from now.

Neal
Subsim

LydiaTamarZeegers · 10-16-07, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Hello Lydia,

I really enjoyed meeting your father and spending a little time with him at the 2005 Subsim meeting in Monnickendam. He had a great tour prepared for us and was an excellent host. It was my first time in Netherlands and I left with a very good impression, thanks in part to Abraham. Over the last three years I communicated with him a great deal by e-mail and the forums, where he was a moderator. I really miss him, and I know the Subsim community will always be a man short in our meetings, discussions, and voyages from now.

Neal
Subsim

Yes he told me about that meeting he was very excited and he enjoyed it also.( if i am seeying that right

)
He told me so much about subsim ! He always was very positive about it.
He also 'pushed' my mom to become a member of this and also my brother!

I miss him too..

He did not deserve this.. But its not my duty to say that..

And if he is looking with me then i know he has a smile on his face.. Because you are all very kind!

Thank you very much for your support

The Avon Lady · 10-16-07, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LydiaTamarZeegers

My father has told me about you.. And also to my mother.. Because my mother is also jewish..

Yes, your father told me about that, too, which makes you Jewish, of course.

Quote:

And my father told me that you are a strong woman from Israel..

Must be all those years of lifitng the grocery bags.

Sixpack · 10-16-07, 02:40 AM

My take......

Yesterday I had a pretty bad day. I went to the office, and I quickly read the headlines like I do every day. There was the article with subject line "Gamers miss Bram Zeegers". Then I read subsim.com.... HUH ?!

Wait a freakin' moment........Bram.........Abraham !!

I then went on to dig in Google for as much information as possible on Bram. I think I have been busy with that for 5 hours. Utterly amazed.

I have to explain I -unlike many- don't follow this "Holleeder" case. I know it's there but I didnt feel like spending my good time on it. Probably turning out another high expectations criminal case leading to injustice, thus not contributing to a better Holland.

Had I done that, I had known about Bram's involvement as a key witness already early this year !

And I could easily have gotten in contact with him, having his phone number and email adress.

You see, back in 2005 around the Subsim meet, he and I exchanged a couple of emails, and we were close to meeting. I didnt however attend the Subsim meet for personal reasons, but to this day regret it.

In that time he had just become involved as a witness, or so I gathered yesterday.

It appeared I still have his sunny emails in my hotmail inbox and reread them. He also told me then about his 16Y old daughter having an Israeli mother, and plenty more. However, nothing related to his involvement in this crime case.

Late december 2005 he sent me an email wishing me and my family a happy 2006 and proposed again we'd meet...

I wished him well but never replied to the meeting part.

[sigh].....Wow...

Ofcourse now I wonder if we had met...

Had he told me sooner or later about the situation he was in ?

What could I have done for him to somewhat lighten his burden and pain ? How much and exactly would that have had impact on me ?

But the drugs ? I cant imagine Bram as a drugs user. But then again, we can all fake on the net, cant we ? But still I cant or rather dont want to think of Bram being that different from how we all knew him here: An extremely intelligent and friendly guy, with a positive-christian outlook on life.

Questions...questions...

Weird, but only now I feel he was perhaps reaching out to me and I have let this man down

Bram, no way I can help you now (only by listening a bit I figure and discuss our mutual interests as in hobbies/recreational stuff that is), but I will remember you with fondness for the virtual and potentially real life friend of mine you could have been. I wish your family a lot of strength coping with the awefully great loss.

.

10-09-07, 03:00 PM	#1
geetrue Cold War Boomer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Walla Walla Posts: 2,837 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Abraham was the only one I knew that could stand toe to toe with Avon Lady in a shoot out, name the subject. Good-bye Abraham ... sorry you had to go early __________________

10-09-07, 04:31 PM	#3
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I cant even get out any words for this crime, its just too horrible.. ''Rust in vrede'' Abraham. __________________

10-09-07, 04:48 PM	#4
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I didn't really know him, but still I read a lot of his writing, and find this quite depressing. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

10-09-07, 05:13 PM	#5
Biggles Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sweden (I'm not a Viking...) Posts: 3,529 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Farewell Abraham. I did not know you, but your death is a loss for the world, I am sure. __________________

10-09-07, 09:13 PM	#9
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Farewell Abraham. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

10-09-07, 05:31 PM	#6
Sharkstooth Red Shoe Queen Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 124 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	What a horrible loss. I'm glad I had the pleasure to meet him in Monnickendam. I remember him fondly.

10-09-07, 05:35 PM	#7
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224

10-09-07, 08:00 PM	#8
I-25 Commodore Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bavaria, Germany Posts: 629 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	What a unfair world poor abraham. i may not be a 24/7 Subsim poster but Abraham, everybody knew his post's, he'll be sorely missed. My condolences to his family.

10-09-07, 09:58 PM	#10
d@rk51d3 Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 1,953 Downloads: 207 Uploads: 0

10-15-07, 05:35 PM	#12
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Hello Lydia, I really enjoyed meeting your father and spending a little time with him at the 2005 Subsim meeting in Monnickendam. He had a great tour prepared for us and was an excellent host. It was my first time in Netherlands and I left with a very good impression, thanks in part to Abraham. Over the last three years I communicated with him a great deal by e-mail and the forums, where he was a moderator. I really miss him, and I know the Subsim community will always be a man short in our meetings, discussions, and voyages from now. Neal Subsim

10-16-07, 02:40 AM	#15
Sixpack Samurai Navy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: below North Sea level (iow Holland) Posts: 592 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	My take...... Yesterday I had a pretty bad day. I went to the office, and I quickly read the headlines like I do every day. There was the article with subject line "Gamers miss Bram Zeegers". Then I read subsim.com.... HUH ?! Wait a freakin' moment........Bram.........Abraham !! I then went on to dig in Google for as much information as possible on Bram. I think I have been busy with that for 5 hours. Utterly amazed. I have to explain I -unlike many- don't follow this "Holleeder" case. I know it's there but I didnt feel like spending my good time on it. Probably turning out another high expectations criminal case leading to injustice, thus not contributing to a better Holland. Had I done that, I had known about Bram's involvement as a key witness already early this year ! And I could easily have gotten in contact with him, having his phone number and email adress. You see, back in 2005 around the Subsim meet, he and I exchanged a couple of emails, and we were close to meeting. I didnt however attend the Subsim meet for personal reasons, but to this day regret it. In that time he had just become involved as a witness, or so I gathered yesterday. It appeared I still have his sunny emails in my hotmail inbox and reread them. He also told me then about his 16Y old daughter having an Israeli mother, and plenty more. However, nothing related to his involvement in this crime case. Late december 2005 he sent me an email wishing me and my family a happy 2006 and proposed again we'd meet... I wished him well but never replied to the meeting part. [sigh].....Wow... Ofcourse now I wonder if we had met... Had he told me sooner or later about the situation he was in ? What could I have done for him to somewhat lighten his burden and pain ? How much and exactly would that have had impact on me ? But the drugs ? I cant imagine Bram as a drugs user. But then again, we can all fake on the net, cant we ? But still I cant or rather dont want to think of Bram being that different from how we all knew him here: An extremely intelligent and friendly guy, with a positive-christian outlook on life. Questions...questions... Weird, but only now I feel he was perhaps reaching out to me and I have let this man down Bram, no way I can help you now (only by listening a bit I figure and discuss our mutual interests as in hobbies/recreational stuff that is), but I will remember you with fondness for the virtual and potentially real life friend of mine you could have been. I wish your family a lot of strength coping with the awefully great loss. . __________________ \"Navigare necesse est, vivere non est necesse\"